[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', '
') If you continue to support the government and their friends, unless you are one of them, your chances of being a survivor will be reduced since you will be burdened with supplying not only your own needs, but theirs as well.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'C')apitalism requires growth.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'C')apitalism only works when there are resources to exploit

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '
')Economic system = how we organize ourselves to exploit resources of raw materials, capital, labor and decide who gets the resulting wealth.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')umans lived for some 100,000 years without "capital," "labor" or "deciding who gets the resulting wealth."

[Ludi]

Nope, sorry, those things don't fit into the civilizational economics definitions of "capital" and "labor."

Put on YOUR thinking cap. Really.



capital

1. Cash or goods used to generate income either by investing in a business or a different income property.

2. The net worth of a business; that is, the amount by which its assets exceed its liabilities.

3. The money, property, and other valuables which collectively represent the wealth of an individual or business.


labor/work


1. General: Situation where a recurring or one-time task is performed.

2. Contracting: Entire scope of a project encompassing all people, equipment, material, and other goods and services required to fulfill the contractor's obligations under a contract.

wealth

3. Economics: Total of all assets of an economic unit that generate current income or have the potential to generate future income. It includes natural resources and human capital but generally excludes money and securities because the represent only claims to wealth. Two common types of economic wealth are (1) Monetary wealth: anything that can be bought and sold, for which there is market and hence a price. The market price, however, reflects only the commodity price and not necessarily its value. For example, water is essential for human existence but is usually very cheap. (2) Non-monetary wealth: things which depend on scarce resources, and for which there is demand, but are not bought and sold in a market and hence have no price. Examples are education, health, and defense.


The folks I'm talking about don't have "labor" in the usual sense, any more than a wolf or a deer has "labor." They don't have "capital" because they don't have property or businesses. They don't have "wealth" because they don't have money or markets.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')he folks I'm talking about don't have "labor" in the usual sense, any more than a wolf or a deer has "labor."

[Ludi]

I think there's a tendency to think all human cultures are like civilization, and more particularly, like modern civilization, which is certainly not the case. HG cultures are not much like civilized cultures. Not all civilized cultures are alike, even (though different ones are now extinct. See Maya, Hohokam.)

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')umans lived for some 100,000 years without "capital," "labor" or "deciding who gets the resulting wealth."

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')umans lived for some 100,000 years without "capital," "labor" or "deciding who gets the resulting wealth."

[Ludi]

Typically the only surplus in HG societies is what folks can carry or easily store in a cache (same as squirrels). This is significantly different from the accumulation of surplus in a civilized aka agricultural society. And of course the surplus is not "owned" by any individual in an HG society, but by the group. This surplus is not generated by "labour" any more than a squirrel's surplus is generated by "labour."