[TheDude]

GoghGoner - ran some numbers this morning on what the EIA calls "Other Oils," everything from ethane on down, sort of; I didn't use the exact same streams that go into their number, which is provided for weekly product supplied; they don't provide it for monthly, thought I'd make up my own number. It's these:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Ethane-Ethylene Distillate Fuel Oil, Greater Than 500 ppm Sulfur Still Gas Residual Fuel Oil Petrochemical Feedstocks Petroleum Coke Distillate Fuel Oil, Greater than 15 to 500 ppm Sulfur Naphtha for Petrochemical Feedstock Use Other Oils for Petrochemical Feedstock Use Petroleum Coke Catalyst Asphalt and Road Oil Petroleum Coke Marketable Lubricants Pentanes Plus Miscellaneous Petroleum Products Normal Butane-Butylene Kerosene Aviation Gasoline Special Naphthas Waxes Crude Oil Other Hydrocarbons/Oxygenates Gasoline Blending Components Reformulated Gasoline Blending Components Conventional Gasoline Blending Components Aviation Gasoline Blending Components Isobutane-Isobutylene Other Liquids Unfinished Oils')

Looks like there's some double counting in there. Anyway, all of these collectively are down 49.64% from their June '05 peak. That's a lot of industrial apps that are really on the rocks.

Pickens wants to go NG on the truck fleet first - that's a good idea. On highway distillates is about 2.6 mb/d right now, bound to go up with increased economic activity.

[copious.abundance]

According to this, we'll soon be getting a CNG powered Fiat 500.

*** LINK ***
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')...]

In July 2009, Fiat said it would introduce the car to the U.S. market by early 2011. Adding to ecodrivers’ excitement, Fiat plans to follow up with a hybrid SGE along with a version that can burn compressed natural gas.

[...]

[copious.abundance]

LINK
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]GM Places Bet on Natural Gas-Powered Vehicles
By JASON PLAUTZ of Greenwire
Published: June 2, 2010

Automakers have had a mixed history with natural gas in the United States, but General Motors Co. is betting that a new line of fleet vans can bring the technology back.

The automaker is rolling out compressed natural gas (CNG) and liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) alternatives to the Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana. The two full-sized vans are designed for those who must haul large amounts of equipment but don't need to drive long distances.

The new vans will be available for the 2011 model year. Pricing hasn't yet been released.

"We're listening to our fleet customers and dealers about offering options that help them achieve their business objectives," said Brian Small, general manager of GM's fleet and commercial operations, in a release. "The industry commitment to expand the CNG and LPG infrastructure in key fleet markets was an enabler to allowing us to introduce these options now."

[...]

[Keith_McClary]

Are we talking about this technology that has long been available as conversion kits?

[Ayoob]

The vehicle of the future is the nonelectric bicycle. Get used to it.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')he vehicle of the future is the nonelectric bicycle. Get used to it.

[Astaire]

Hi,
The main advantages of natural gas vehicles faces several limitations, including fuel storage and infrastructure available for delivery and distribution at fueling stations. Natural gas must be stored in cylinders, whether it is CNG (compressed) or LNG (liquefied), and these cylinders are usually located in the vehicle's trunk, reducing the space available for other uses, particularly during long distance travel.

edited to remove spam-MD

[jackmartin]

Well Natural Gas Vehicles have been the way of the future of environments.i always believe that all the people should max. try to used a Natural gas vehicle.i have a NGV car.Inmy car put into CNG kit.This kit also required a small space.

[copious.abundance]

Bloomberg
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Fiat Turns to Natural Gas as Toyota, GM Go Electric
By Tommaso Ebhardt and Tim Higgins

Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- As Sergio Marchionne brings back Fiat SpA to the U.S. after nearly three decades, he may add another Italian speciality: the natural gas engine.

Marchionne, who is chief executive officer of Fiat and Chrysler Group LLC, says natural gas engines offer a better way to cut emissions because they’re cheaper than competing technologies. He also argues electric cars, which General Motors Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. are betting on, present “too many obstacles” such as the recharge time for batteries.

“Natural gas is very suitable for the U.S.,” Constantinos Vafidis, who oversees transmission and hybrid development at Fiat’s research center in Turin, Italy, said in an interview. “Especially for public services and goods transportation, where vehicles are refueled from a central base.”

[...]

[TheDude]

Most NGV happy nations, according to http://www.iangv.org/home.html


$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Country Total Vehicles 2008 NGVs as % of total vehicle population

Myanmar 296,910 3.67%
Tajikistan 162,370 6.53%
Malaysia 366,375 6.82%
Brazil 14,277,600 9.63%
Colombia 1,238,216 10.92%
Bolivia 475,632 13.63%
Argentina 7,608,744 21.69%
Iran - 23.91%
Armenia 327,477 24.85%
Bangladesh 293,472 27.26%
Pakistan 6,217,069 52.00%')

[vision-master]

Samba! They know how to party down there.....

[TheAntiDoomer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'M')ost NGV happy nations, according to http://www.iangv.org/home.html


$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Country Total Vehicles 2008 NGVs as % of total vehicle population

Myanmar 296,910 3.67%
Tajikistan 162,370 6.53%
Malaysia 366,375 6.82%
Brazil 14,277,600 9.63%
Colombia 1,238,216 10.92%
Bolivia 475,632 13.63%
Argentina 7,608,744 21.69%
Iran - 23.91%
Armenia 327,477 24.85%
Bangladesh 293,472 27.26%
Pakistan 6,217,069 52.00%')

[TheDude]

Repeat the part after "hoo wah!"

TOD just had a piece on South American LNG. Nothing about sweaty hotties in feather headresses covered in glitter.

That NGV website is interesting - they seem to have more data on fleets than most anyone else I've found. Maybe it's just BS for marketing...I like how Iran has 23.91% of ?????????? number of vehicles total.

[Graeme]

Roadshow: The pros and cons of driving CNG vehicles

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q') A woman recently inquired about CNG vehicles and you invited readers to offer information.

Arlene McClelland

San Jose

A Yes, I did, and dozens who own vehicles that run on compressed natural gas responded with the pros and cons, so here we go.

Q We have owned a Honda Civic CNG car since 1999, and it has more than 130,000 miles. When gasoline was $4 a gallon, CNG was $2 an equivalent gallon. We absolutely love it! The only inconvenience is the scarcity of filling stations. When planning a longer trip, one must know where filling station locations are in each area, so we have a standard gas Accord for longer trips. The gas tank of our Civic CNG holds the equivalent of seven gallons of gas, and I get around 160 miles per fill-up, depending on weather and use of air conditioning. I would like to get another CNG car, but the problem is I don't think this one will wear out anytime soon. Because of how cleanly it burns, maintenance costs are very low.

Arlene McClelland

[JRP3]

That looks very similar to the constraints of the current crop of EV's coming out, though electrical outlets are far more prevalent than CNG stations.

[Xenophobe]

Another debunking which requires but a single picture.



Certainly is a solution to scale if Honda is making them in a factory, and can just switch over from millions of regular Civics to lots of natural gas powered ones.

4 for sale in my local paper.

Anyone want to buy some impossible technology to transport themselves around with? Plenty of natural gas folks, no need to convert to electric, just collect yourselves a nice CNG powered Honda Civic, probably last through at least the next peak oil or two.