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Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 21 Sep 2010, 21:13:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see Godwin's Law is alive and well on PO. :-D



Not relevant in a thread entitled "Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?"

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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 21 Sep 2010, 21:21:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see Godwin's Law is alive and well on PO. :-D
What did you expect under "Weimar Moment?" Bratwurst recipes and polka music?
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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 04:03:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see Godwin's Law is alive and well on PO. :-D
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A thread discussing the similaraties between the current US economy and the Weimar republic's; re, external debt, rather than the (expected) diversion into Nazism.
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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby bluekachina » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 08:43:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a result of the failure of the right, the German people elected a moderately leftist government to lead the nation's rebuilding. It was named the Weimar Republic for the city in which the new post-imperial constitution was written. The new government was led by Friedrich Ebert, head of the German Socialist Party.

But the country's new parliamentary system had allowed dozens of parties to run, making it impossible for any one party to win an outright majority. Ebert's party had achieved the highest portion of votes, 38%, in the first post-War elections, held in January 1919. Ebert would have to govern by coalition.

It was at this time that the right wing made its crucial decision. Despite its shocking, naked failure over the prior decade, despite the horrific devastation it had wrought on the German people, despite the discrediting of everything they had purported to stand for, they would fight Ebert, his new government, and its plans for recovery. They would do everything they could to make sure that the new government failed.

Their strategy was two-fold: first, stoke the resentment of the population about the calamitous state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions had been created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretended to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.

And stoking resentment was easy to do. Just before the War ended, the military concocted its most sensational lie: the German army hadn't actually been defeated. It had been "stabbed in the back" by communists, traitors, and Jews. It was an easy lie to sell. It entwined an attack on an alien political ideology - liberalism- with the latent, pervasive myth of German racial superiority.

The second strategy of the right was to prevent the new government from succeeding. To begin with, success of the left would conspicuously advertise the failure of the right. Moreover, success by the left would legitimize republican government, so hated by the oligarchs of the right. Much better for the people to be ruled by the self-aggrandizing right-wing autocracy that had governed Germany for centuries.

So the rightists set out to do everything they could to make it impossible for the leftists to govern. They would use parliamentary maneuver, shifting coalitions, domination of the new mass media, legislative obstruction, staged public relations spectacles, relentless pressure by narrow but powerful interests, judicial intimidation and, eventually, outright murder of their political opponents.

Contrition for their abject failure, humility for their destructive hubris, compassion for their crippled country-those had nothing to do with it. All they possessed was a blinding, visceral hatred of the left and a masturbatory lust for the return to power.

Eventually, they succeeded. Every setback in recovery - and there would inevitably be many - was met with hysterical demonizing of the left wing government. The lie was repeated relentlessly that the government was run by communists, traitors, and Jews-the same furtive cabal that had purportedly stabbed the country in the back at the end of the War. They steadily chipped away at the efficacy and, thereby, the legitimacy of successive republican governments.

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I don't see any mention of Fascists above. To me it looks like a description of current USA politics.
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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 10:54:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') see Godwin's Law is alive and well on PO. :-D
What did you expect under "Weimar Moment?" Bratwurst recipes and polka music?

A thread discussing the similaraties between the current US economy and the Weimar republic's; re, external debt, rather than the (expected) diversion into Nazism.

Well, for the Weimar Repuublic you could go read the chapter in "Mien Kampf" titled "Causes of the Collapse," which is where the GOP really embraced Mein Kampf back in 2005. Basicially, it's what Jonah Goldberg ripped off for "Liberal Fascism." It lays out the whole "stabbed-in-the-back" theme about how the country has beem ruined by a lack of values, secularists, immigrants, the "liberal press" (yes Hitler said that), university eggheads. In later chapters they talk about their fake grassroots movement with its nonsensical slogans ("I want my country back" is new but stunningly fascist).

And now we are up to the most deliriously racist parts of Mein Kampf with Newt talking about Obama's tainted African blood, and the theme of the Ivy League mulatto as nothing more than a well trained circus animal is straight Hitler from the his most racist stuff.

Plus all the right wing dingbats (you know who you are) preparing for what they see as the inevitable race war.....
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Re: Is America facing it's Weimar Moment?

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 13:31:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '
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')The fascists and the national socialists were those socialists who split from the socialist international during WWI when the socialist international proclaimed that all workers were brothers and so shouldn't fight for their countries
Pure unadulterated bullsh*t. Just made up gubbins...etc. etc.


Why is it that the more ill-informed someone is, the more likely he is to be a pottymouth? :roll:
Here is the bit I quoted and you did not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he national socialist movement had its origin in the 19th and early 20th century international socialist movement.
The national socialists are the NSDAP or Nazi party. I provided a bit of a brief history of this party and pointed out there is no connection between them and 'socialists'. You on the other hand seem somewhat geographically challanged and seem to have Germany and Italy confused and to prove that the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is an offshoot of the socialists you have cut and pasted a history of the Italian fascist party.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he national socialist movement had its origin in the 19th and early 20th century international socialist movement.^^Wrong.
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