[SeaGypsy]

I fought like hell with my ex to prevent her vaccinating our baby 17 years ago, in the end I gave in; he convulsed for 28 hours & we thought he was going to die; this was 1 single dose od triple antigen. After that I never needed to argue with her about it, she switched sides. My new baby in the Philippines has no pressure to be vaccinated, I talked it through with her mother with the benefit of a lot of resaerch on the net which was unavailable 17 years ago. She agreed with me and our daughter will be relying on her natural immune system and healthy living. The Philippines has less than 1000 known cases of Autism with very little vaccination (out of a population of 90,000,000. Countries like the USA and Australia, where it is near enough to mandatory have a 1 in 65 to 1 in 400 incidence of ASD in some form depending on who'se statistics you read. ASD was virtually unknown prior to the advent of broadscale vaccinations.

[dukey]

The concentration of mercury in vaccines is such that, you wouldn't legally be allowed to drink them, but they think it's fine injecting this into kids.

[Ainan]

I've read that vaccines were invented because there were too many doctors in the USA and not enough sick people.

Sounds nuts right? The idea states that diseases once common place were eradicated due to better sanitation and nutrition. At the turn of the last century there were too many doctors so they invented vaccinations and gave them away for free. A certain proportion of people became infected with the disease and ended up paying customers. Sounds sick and unbelievable but the more you learn about humans the more it seems possible. Interestingly, I've only been to the Doctors twice in my life (excluding my birth) and both times it was for vaccinations.

If anyone has any good information on this I'd like to read it.

[dukey]

sounds highly unlikely
Vaccination has been going on since around 1800. Back in the good old days of vaccination, they had absolutely no way of isolating the virus, and of course you could end up being injected with anything.

[dukey]

So they love injecting a cocktail of poisonous chemicals into kids. You try to warn people about the chemicals these vaccines contain and people think you are some science hating fundamentalist evangelical jenny mccarthy lover. There is no room for rational debate. Peoples minds are entirely shaped by the media on the subject.

Anyway, back to the kids. There has been a stream of recent reports

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')1N1 vaccine suspended due to suspected links to increased narcolepsy in children and adolescents

[SeaGypsy]

Hey dukey, long time no bang heads. I am with you here and some. I recently migrated my Filipina daughter and my wife (her mum) into Australia from the Philippines. My wife grew up in the 80's in the PI when immunisation rates were close to zero (as were rates of Autism Spectrum Disorders and sundry immune diseases and childhood cancers). On my list of conditions of marriage was that our children would not be immunised and that I would deal with the consequences. In the Philippines onlu the birth vitamin injection was pressured, which I accepted as low risk. We never had a bit of other pressure throughout the immigration process. Then we got here...
I am obliged under Australian law to either have my daughter infused with aborted pathogens and heavy metals; or to obtain the consent of a Doctor to my conscientious objection.
I am fortunate to be well enough educated to know that thilst 98% of General Practionioners support general immunisation; almost none support mandatory immunisation and almost as few immunise their own children.
It's a numbers game.
If you are in a country where 96% are immunised, your child's chances of getting any life threatening condition from one of the commonly immunised diseases is next to zilch. If you don't immunise your child the chances of them contracting ASD type disorders is almost zilch.
Do your own homework.
It is a numbers game.

[EnergyUnlimited]

My long stand view is that it makes sense to immunize kids against something serious (polio or TB comes to mind).

However influenza or pimples (MMR) does not qualify as "serious".
Too low risk of complication from disease to bother with.

[floridaa]

I am emerging from a long silence on the subject of vaccination, because I feel that, this time, the stakes involved are huge. The consequences may spread much further than anticipated,” writes Lanctôt, who believes the A(H1N1) virus will be used in a pandemic concocted and orchestrated by the WHO, an international organization that serves military, political and industrial interests.

[PrestonSturges]

People have no idea how horrible those childhood diseases are, causing slow lingering death or lifelong disabilities. Yes developing countries can be casual about it, but they are also casual about letting their toddlers run around with kitchen knives and poison and sticking screwdrivers in wall sockets because their kids freaking die so often they have no sense of keeping their kids safe.

Diseases like pertusis and rheumatic fever are horrible and increasing
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster ... -ever.html

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'P')eople have no idea how horrible those childhood diseases are...

...Diseases like pertusis and rheumatic fever are horrible and increasing...

[Oakley]

Vaccines, in my view, are one big experiment, and government should not have the power to force anyone into participating.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The decline in infectious diseases in developed countries had nothing to do with vaccinations, but with the decline in poverty and hunger."--Dr Buchwald, M.D.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', 'A')s far as flu, I think evidence shows that Vitamin D3 in doses between 5,000 and 15,000 IU, taken daily during the portion of the year when you don't get sufficient sunlight, is highly effective in preventing or minimizing colds and flu.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')If you are in a country where 96% are immunised, your child's chances of getting any life threatening condition from one of the commonly immunised diseases is next to zilch. If you don't immunise your child the chances of them contracting ASD type disorders is almost zilch.
Do your own homework.
It is a numbers game.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'P')eople have no idea how horrible those childhood diseases are...

...Diseases like pertusis and rheumatic fever are horrible and increasing...

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')If you are in a country where 96% are immunised, your child's chances of getting any life threatening condition from one of the commonly immunised diseases is next to zilch. If you don't immunise your child the chances of them contracting ASD type disorders is almost zilch.
Do your own homework.
It is a numbers game.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')o they love injecting a cocktail of poisonous chemicals into kids. You try to warn people about the chemicals these vaccines contain and people think you are some science hating fundamentalist evangelical jenny mccarthy lover. There is no room for rational debate.

[dukey]

In the great swine flu epidemic of 1976, the vaccine officially killed more people than the pandemic. Collectively the general public are total idiots, we've learnt nothing from history. Perhaps we deserve guillain barre syndrome and other such wonderful side effects from vaccines.

[dukey]

Seems like the whooping cough vaccine doesn't even work

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')AN DIEGO — A KPBS investigation has found that nearly two out of three people diagnosed with whooping cough in San Diego County this year were fully immunized. California is in the midst of the worst whooping cough epidemic in 50 years.

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')espite the fact that the United States administers the highest number of vaccine doses to children in the entire developed world, 26 before infants reach the age of one, its infant mortality rate is higher than 33 other nations, all of which administer less vaccines. The study clearly illustrates the fact that developed countries which administer less vaccines have lower infant mortality rates, suggesting a direct statistical link between vaccination side-effects and infant deaths.

[Hughj]

Information Mortality?