[efarmer]

Thomas Jefferson wrote in his 1777 Draft of a Bill for Religious Freedom:

‘ that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right . . . ‘

<end of quote>

Which parts of the Constitution do we abandon when we are emotional and frustrated, and when do we reinstate them so we can sell the beautiful document and words to each other or to foreign peoples?

We have invaded and occupied Islamic nations for a variety of reasons, it might be a good idea to demonstrate that the religious faith of one billion of their kind is actually free to operate within our system equally to any other or the concept of having absolutely none.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'H')olding 1 billion people accountable for the alleged acts of 2 dozen radicals is . . . racism.

[Tyler_JC]

I never said they do not have the right to build the mosque.

I said that it was a bad public relations decision.

Eastbay has it exactly right.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey should recognize the widespread and nearly universal justifiable outrage and just build it somewhere else. The USA is large. There must be a less controversial and better suited location. They selected this site with provocation in mind. It's a stick poked in our collective eyes. And people are falling for it. Obama may 'fall' for it too.

This is about the utter lack of kindness of the entire group when we hear such a powerful silence from them all. What shame. This terrible decision will only serve to further erode American acceptance of Muslims.

[Expatriot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')hey [Muslims] should recognize the widespread and nearly universal justifiable outrage and just build it somewhere else. The USA is large. There must be a less controversial and better suited location. They selected this site with provocation in mind. It's a stick poked in our collective eyes. And people are falling for it. Obama may 'fall' for it too.

This is about the utter lack of kindness of the entire group when we hear such a powerful silence from them all. What shame.

[Expatriot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') am not holding all Muslims accountable for 9/11. I am holding the NYC Muslim community accountable for its decision to build the mosque in this highly controversial area.

[Expatriot]

Jesus.

Did the thread title seriously get sterilized to "Harry Reid is Annoying" from "Harry Reid is a Bigot."

What was the reason for that?

Certainly PO.com is not worried about Harry suing for libel.

[eastbay]

I hold each and every Muslim responsible for their collective silence on this. It's shameful. Those responsible for planning to locate this center know exactly what they're doing. They won't back down. They know they can do whatever they want because non-Muslims will call anyone opposing it unkind names.

This is another in a seemingly endless cascade of examples clearly demonstrating how deep into the darkness Western culture has descended. No healthy culture would possibly tolerate such arrogance.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')No healthy culture would possibly tolerate such arrogance.

[efarmer]

har·ry (hr)
tr.v. har·ried, har·ry·ing, har·ries
1. To disturb or distress by or as if by repeated attacks; harass. See Synonyms at harass.
2. To raid, as in war; sack or pillage.


It does seem that unlike this thread, Harry's Mom got the name right once and just stayed with it.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'D')O YOU HOLD ALL MUSLIMS ACCOUNTABLE for 911?
Yes or No.
If yes, then you're a racist.

[dinopello]

Hey I like how the thread keeps changing names. I think the original name was the most accurate so far though. Harry is a craven politician in a race against a right winger so he can't lose by moving to the right as he will get everyone to the left of wherever he is.

[Expatriot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') hold . . . arrogance.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')ey I like how the thread keeps changing names. I think the original name was the most accurate so far though. Harry is a craven politician in a race against a right winger so he can't lose by moving to the right as he will get everyone to the left of wherever he is.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'I')f you say "yes," then you're a racist, and you want us to bow down to the racist sentiment being expressed by the anti-mosque people.

[oowolf]

The appealing thing about terrorism is that it is so effective. Terrorists have an intuitive, if ineffable, understanding of the sociology of "emotional contagion". Scare a few people, scare them all; divide and conquer. Theories aside, the acts of 9/11 have definitely resulted in a serious decline of personal liberty in this country. The terrorists are winning.

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he feelings of the 9/11 victims' families matter to many Americans (myself included).

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'I')f you say "yes," then you're a racist, and you want us to bow down to the racist sentiment being expressed by the anti-mosque people.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'I')f you say "yes," then you're a racist, and you want us to bow down to the racist sentiment being expressed by the anti-mosque people.

[efarmer]

Since the thread had to search about for the correct title, your point on the right words to describe the issue is well taken by me.

This still leaves a minor question:

Should the Constitution allow for holidays when we can chase after perceived or real adversaries and knock them around free of it's tenets?

If so how often do we declare the holidays and who should we get on our next day off?

If we are intent on bringing criminals to justice we might consider keeping justice intact and also that emotional mobs tend to punish for satisfaction and then hide under rocks to duck the aftermath. What rocks do we hide under after we get "even"?

We set out 9 years ago to nab Osama bin Laden and many dead and maimed humans and a trillion dollars later, the dregs of the idiots who botched the effort and are now whipping up emotion to keep people from the villain's religion from praying near the scene of his crime.

Don't let cultural scab pickers keep your wounds opened up for their profit and power motives,
you will surely get sick and infected. People who have to divide before they can lead don't because they can't.

We are living the proof of this right now.