[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON – Georgia scientists say their analysis shows that most of that BP oil the government said was gone from the Gulf of Mexico is still there.

The scientists say as much as 80 percent of the oil still lurks under the surface. The Georgia team said it is a misinterpretation of data to claim that oil that is dissolved is actually gone. The report from University of Georgia and other scientists came from an analysis of federal estimates.

Earlier this month federal scientists said that only about a quarter of the oil remained and the rest was either removed, dissolved or dispersed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_sc/us_sci_gulf_spill_gone

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON – Georgia scientists say their analysis shows that most of that BP oil the government said was gone from the Gulf of Mexico is still there.

Earlier this month federal scientists said that only about a quarter of the oil remained and the rest was either removed, dissolved or dispersed.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'S')o Georgia scientists are smarter than Federal scientists? Have better scientific equipment?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Don't see why scientists in Georgia would be biased, that state isn't even on the Gulf.

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')Well, so much for the "all the oil biodegraded" theory.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o Georgia scientists are smarter than Federal scientists?

[Ludi]

Here's NOAA's site with information about animal oil spill casualties: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/health/oilspill.htm

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')since even bacteria would take several years to degrade it)

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'S')o Georgia scientists are smarter than Federal scientists? Have better scientific equipment? Or more apt to have a political master and a bottom line to defend when it comes to the size of the potential BP reimbursement for their troubles?

[The_Virginian]

than you for the link sixstrings...

this sticks in my craw:

"However, it is important to realize that the degradation of crude oil by marine organisms mostly
entails short-chain hydrocarbons—not the more toxic, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
(PAHs). Mass balance calculations, such as we are doing here, do not reflect this preferential
decomposition. The most toxic components of crude oil are the least likely to be naturally
degraded."

From the U of Ga. report, see link in Sixstrings post above.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')since even bacteria would take several years to degrade it)

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'T')he head of NOAA was on the telly this evening....she did not look crazy...she did not talk crazy...and she seemed to know exactly what was going on.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, it is important to realize that the degradation of crude oil by marine organisms mostly
entails short-chain hydrocarbons—not the more toxic, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
(PAHs). Mass balance calculations, such as we are doing here, do not reflect this preferential
decomposition.

[efarmer]

We need followup and good science forever on the aftermath of the spill and we need the real truth.
People from research organizations and universities have learned how to crow about potential problems and real ones in the media until they get funding, which is their lifeblood. Therefore the federal government can do something, they can allocate some of BP's $20B bucks to a group of competing ideology researchers and let them do the work and get data to drive the debate.

Calculations are great Georgia, but there is data being gathered, real world, honest to goodness
monster spill in the Gulf data, data you could never justify if it hadn't come from an earthquake ripping open a reservoir underwater or a man made disaster.

Do you want data to check your mathematical models, or do you want air time and big fat grant for your research team?

Both are fine with me, but the people you scare on TV before you have data don't have any money to give you, and those who do might just not want to fund a loose cannon. It would be different if the data was not there for your asking from NOAA or someone else you probably get grants from already.

[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso remember that there is approximately 1.4 MM barrels of oil going into the Gulf from natural seeps each year.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) – A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian reported.

Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down. “I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the House energy and commerce committee.

His statement seems to all but confirm suspicions within the scientific community that the White House was trying to spin and hide scientific data regarding the damage of the oil spill. The only member of Congress who turned up at the hearing was Ed Markey, the committee chair.

(snip)

A number of estimates that aren’t coming from the White House suggest that as much as 90 percent of the oil is unaccounted for. Lehr himself said that only 6 percent was burned and the other 4 percent was skimmed, but he wasn’t confident on the amount collected from beaches.

Markey was visible upset and critical of Lehr, saying that the released report by NOAA gave the public a false sense of confidence. “You shouldn’t have released it until you knew it was right,” he said.

“People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf.”

The Obama administration’s credibility took a dive after Ian MacDonald, ocean scientist at Florida State University and has studied the Gulf of Mexico for 30 years, said that the White House made “sweeping and largely unsupported” claims by saying that three-quarters of the oil was gone. “I believe this report is misleading,” he said. “The imprint will be there in the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life. It is not gone and it will not go away quickly.”
http://wireupdate.com/wires/8833/senior-u-s-scientist-rescinds-previous-claim-that-34-of-oil-from-spill-is-gone-says-most-is-still-there/

[Oakley]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/19/gulf.o ... tml?hpt=T2

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')(CNN) -- Scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution said they detected a plume of hydrocarbons in June that was at least 22 miles long and more than 3,000 feet below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, a residue of the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

According to the institution, the 1.2-mile-wide, 650-foot-high plume of trapped hydrocarbons provides at least a partial answer to recent questions asking where all the oil has gone as surface slicks shrink and disappear.

"These results indicate that efforts to book-keep where the oil went must now include this plume" in the Gulf, said Christopher Reddy, a Woods Hole marine geochemist and oil spill expert. He is one of the authors of the study, which appears in the Aug. 19 issue of the journal Science.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', 'S')hades of Matt Simmons?

[dissident]

The original NOAA claim was never submitted for peer review publication so any "report" they produced is garbage. The peer review has come through statements and publications by other groups, which has finally exposed this political BS for what it was. BP ass covering.

[eXpat]