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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

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One of the most important things to remember about socialism – or coercion of any kind – is it fails eventually because human beings have an innate desire for liberty and a strong need for personal property rights. In fact, the origins of government lie in the need of agricultural communities to protect themselves from violence and theft. So it is particularly ironic that in more recent times, it is government itself that has more frequently played the role of bandit. When you start taxing people at extreme rates to pay for socialist "benefits," when you start telling them which schools their children must attend, when you start giving jobs away to people based on race instead of ability... you quash human freedom, which bogs down productivity... and if continued for long enough, leads to social collapse.

I find it perplexing that only 20 years after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the West continues to implement laws that mimic all of the failed policies of our former "communist" foes. In fact, our current president won the election by promising to "spread the wealth around." But... truth be told... we don't have to look to Eastern Europe or the Soviet Union to find a society destroyed by coercion, socialism, and the overreaching power of the State. We could just look at Detroit...

In 1961, the last Republican mayor of Detroit lost his re-election bid to a young, intelligent Democrat, with the overwhelming support of newly organized black voters. His name was Jerome Cavanagh. The incumbent was widely considered to be corrupt (and later served 10 years in prison for tax evasion). Cavanagh, a white man, pandered to poor underclass black voters. He marched with Martin Luther King down the streets of Detroit in 1963. (Of course, marching with King was the right thing to do... It's just Cavanagh's motives were political not moral.) He instated aggressive affirmative action policies at City Hall. And most critically, he greatly expanded the role of the government in Detroit, taking advantage of President Lyndon Johnson's "Model Cities Program" – the first great experiment in centralized urban planning.

Mayor Cavanagh was the only elected official to serve on Johnson's task force. And Detroit received widespread acclaim for its leadership in the program, which attempted to turn a nine-square-mile section of the city (with 134,000 inhabitants) into a "model city." More than $400 million was spent trying to turn inner cities into shining new monuments to government planning. In short, the feds and Democratic city mayors were soon telling people where to live, what to build, and what businesses to open or close. In return, the people received cash, training, education, and health care.

The Model Cities program was a disaster for Detroit. But it did accomplish its real goal: The creation of a state-supported, Democratic political power base. The program also resulted in much higher taxes – which were easy to pitch to poor voters who didn't have to pay them. Cavanagh pushed a new income tax through the state legislature and a "commuter tax" on city workers.

Unfortunately, as with all socialist programs, lots of folks simply don't like being told what to do. Lots of folks don't like being plundered by the government. They don't like losing their jobs because of their race.

In Detroit, they didn't like paying new, large taxes to fund a largely black and Democratic political hegemony. And so, in 1966, more than 22,000 middle- and upper-class residents moved out of the city.

But what about the poor? As my friend Doug Casey likes to say, in the War on Poverty, the poor lost the most. In July 1967, police attempted to break up a late-night party in the middle of the new "Model City." The scene turned into the worst race riot of the 1960s. The violence killed more than 40 people and left more than 5,000 people homeless. One of the first stores to be looted was the black-owned pharmacy. The largest black-owned clothing store in the city was also burned to the ground. Cavanagh did nothing to stop the riots, fearing a large police presence would make matters worse. Five days later, Johnson sent in two divisions of paratroopers to put down the insurrection. Over the next 18 months, an additional 140,000 upper- and middle-class residents – almost all of them white – left the city.

And so, you might rightfully ask... after five years of centralized planning, higher taxes, and a fleeing population, what did the government decide to do with its grand experiment, its "Model City"? You'll never guess....

Seeing it had accomplished nothing but failure, the government endeavored to do still more. The Model City program was expanded and enlarged by 1974's Community Development Block Grant Program. Here again, politicians would decide which groups (and even individuals) would receive state funds for various "renewal" schemes. Later, Big Business was brought into the fold. In exchange for various concessions, the Big Three automakers "gave" $488 million to the city for use in still more redevelopment schemes in the mid-1990s.

What happened? Even with all of their power and all of the money, centralized planners couldn't succeed with any of their plans. Nearly all of the upper and middle class left Detroit. The poor fled, too. The Model City area lost 63% of its population and 45% of its housing units from the inception of the program through 1990.

Even today, the crisis continues. At a recent auction of nearly 9,000 seized homes and lots, less than one-fifth of the available properties sold, even with bidding starting at $500. You literally can't give away most of the "Model City" areas today. The properties put up for sale last week represented an area the size of New York's Central Park. Total vacant land in Detroit now occupies an area the size of Boston – Detroit properties in foreclosure have more than tripled since 2007.

Every single mayor of Detroit since 1961 has been a Democrat. Every single mayor of Detroit since 1974 has been black. Detroit has been a major recipient of every major social program since the early 1960s and has received hundreds of billions of dollars in government grants, loans, and programs. We now have a black, Democrat president, who is promising to do to America as a whole what his political mentors have done to Detroit.

Those of you with a Democratic political affiliation may think what I've written above is biased or false. You may think what you like. But there is no way to argue that what the government has done to Detroit is anything but a horrendous crime. You may think what I've written above is merely a political analysis. Perhaps so, but politicians drive macroeconomic policy. And macroeconomic policy determines key financial metrics, like the trade-weighted value of a currency and key interest rates.

The likelihood America will become a giant Detroit is growing – rapidly. Politicians now control the banking sector, most of the manufacturing sector (including autos), a large amount of media, and are threatening to take over health care and the production of electricity (via cap and trade rules). These are the biggest threats to wealth in the history of our country. And these threats are causing the world's most accomplished and wealthy investors to actively short sell the United States – something that is unprecedented in my experience.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby MarkJ » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 08:55:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know, it really shouldn't be rocket science for our society to build some affordable apartments for the poor.


In some of our poorest local urban regions, all the proposed low income housing projects are shot down due to past history with rent subsidized and mixed use projects.

Rather than house poor locals, the lack of local residency requirements in subsidized housing projects attracted more poor people to the poor regions.

This is a huge issue in states like New York where a we have much higher than average per-student educational costs and a large percentage of property taxes fund Medicaid.

Since many of the housing projects were property tax exempt, it also placed a greater burden on existing homeowners and businesses as the number of poor residents doubled. Since units are awarded based on need, they also attract larger poor families, and poor families with disabilities and special needs that are more of a drain on property tax dollars.

Even before some of our housing projects of the past were constructed, much of the lower/middle/upper-middle class homeowners put their homes up for sale, or cut and run leaving the area with fewer residents and higher property taxes.

Recently, when a local paper had a story of a possible mixed-use subsidized housing project coming to the area, for sale signs more than doubled less than a month after the story, even though the project wouldn't likely get approval.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby ian807 » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 12:02:42

It's not rocket science, it's just that there's no way to do it without discomforting the more well off taxpayers who vote directly through the ballot box and indirectly through campaign contributions. In RealPolitik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik) terms, there is simply no way to get this to happen.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 12:20:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')m amazed at the lack of intelligence in some of these responses. Must we condemn the poor to categories such as drug addicts, lazy parasites, and failures of life?


I certainly hope you haven't been taking my comments seriously! 8O I'd like to hope folks here know me better than that.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 13:17:02

We've created a class of people who, by working the government systems, can, generation after generation, find a pretty rewarding career....despite never actually having to do any useful work that benefits society.

I'm referring to bank lobbyists, of course. Members of congress too.

The point here is: at both the top and the bottom of the system there exist a lot of people who have managed to figure out a way to vote themselves benefits from the treasury.

Is it correct that 40 million people are now on food stamps? Was it here that I saw that? That's 13% of the population!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/05/record-number-americans-receiving-food-stamp-benefits/

We already know that another 58 million people in this crazy land are on social security in one of its forms:

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

so we're up to 100 million.....I will assume for the moment that some of the recipients of food stamps are actually working somewhere, and also that some of the unemployed people in the country right now are not collecting food stamps yet....

According to this, the "civilian non-institutional population" is 237 million.....
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

From this, I suppose we should subtract the non-military government employees because, even though they are working, and collecting a paycheck, the money we pay them comes from taxes: There are somewhere near 15 million, but it is alarming that the government itself does not have more current data than 2 years old about the fundamental issue of how many people are working for it at the various levels:

[url]http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08fedfun.pdf
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237 minus 100 minus 15, about 117 million that are now working and keeping the whole thing going....about 1/3 of the actual population.

Now, subtract from that the number of people in the country that are working, but at low wage jobs that do not pay any federal income taxes:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/busin ... hardt.html[/url]

I suppose these guys must still pay the payroll taxes, and also sales taxes and possibly state and local taxes....so you can't really say the whole 47% can come off the top of that.....

But the point is, that it for every worker in the country now, he or she is having to support himself, plus pay taxes for the support of 2 other people.... do I have the math right on that? Yes, I believe I do.....a tax-paying workforce of about 100 million and a total population of 300 plus..

Of course like I keep saying.... this is not really what is happening... we're actually borrowing money from the nation's 3-year olds without them knowing about it to keep this whole game going.

We're stupid. That's the only conclusion I can come up with. This whole thing does not add up. Why the 1/3 does not rise up and put a stop to this is beyond me...
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 13:19:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mlit', 's')eems similar to scenes of refugees lined up for food being tossed from the back of relief truck


same balls different angle.. oh , sorry: same Negroes different location


Why is it that refugees (implying people who have been massively impacted by a natural disaster) are lumped into the same bucket as people who expect government housing because of their long term poverty situation? (Floods, earthquakes, etc. are very different than, say, 30 years of acting irresponsibly, for example).


Refugees? I was talking about Negroes. You didnt see something like that during floods in Germany, Poland, ets? Didnt think so.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 13:31:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')o when your bank will tell you that your savings went to fund such an admirable idea like giving out mansions to drug-addicts and lazy-bags ( with a dozen of poor, innocent children of course), you'll be ok with that?
You know, you cant take your money out right now , and rent/buy something for some racially challenged family right now.


If we can spend trillions of dollars on war, would it be such a bad thing to build some decent affordable housing?


Aha! Wasnt ready for a suggestion to pony up werent you? Its nice to be so generous though anyway, even with someone else's money.
Anyways, I see a little connection between bank-owned homes and monies spent on wars by the Feds.
As for affordable housing, it is already out there-- tents and sleeping bags are a dime for a dozen in any store nearby. There are millions of old cars as well. Where you live , people need neither, btw. May be during the winter for a few days.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Expatriot » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 14:40:05

Wow Ian, a nice Marxist rant you had there.
What I find is that most who post this kind of stuff don't have a lot of personal experience with the folks they're describing.

I'll point out for the record that comparisons to food off the back of trucks in 3rd world countries are horrible - there aren't throngs of obese people in those countries.

Oh yeah - and, with very few exceptions, the "poor" in America are fabulously wealthy - the truth of those words will only be apparent in a few years when gasoline is at 10 bucks a gallon.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', '
')First, we build large apartment buildings so we can put all the poor people together so they only interact with other poor people and build up a nice solid culture of poverty.

This is the theory applied in one of my kid's classes. Smarter kids were forced to help less smart kids master basic concepts. It's the "level it all out" theory of Marxism. The key here is that it's not important where the line is - what's important is that everybody is on the line - the smart are forced down to meet the less smart. The rich are forced down to meet the less rich. And so on.
I have worked very hard to save money, educate myself, and so on. I don't want a building put in next to me so that I'll be forced to interact with all the people who don't have the ambition to work, and I definitely don't want my kids around their kids.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'W')e build these buildings in the crappiest area of town where there are few services and grocery stores, banks, doctors, etc. so those in the projects must spend precious money and time traveling long distances to bank, buy basic groceries, get medical assistance and so on.


I love this. Precious "money" and precious "time."
1st, all these people have is time. Unless you're concerned that they're being pulled away from Judge Judy, why the concern with their time? They're congenitally unemployable, and they have no inclination to do much other than watch TV, do drugs, and breed, so why worry about the time? Further, they have no money of their own. They have our money. So why worry about that, either? The fact is, the socialists running this show extract X amount of dollars from me, and they're going to extract X amount no matter what. If the obese "poor" in the U.S. are put in a place where they can save 10 bucks a week in bus fare to get to . . . wherever . . . you think the 10 bucks is coming back to me?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'S')ince there is little residential tax base to support the schools, it's a guarantee that schools in the area will be underfunded and staffed by teachers who can get no other work, and who rotate out as quickly as possible.

Yes, but . . . in the end, education is dependent on the parents. They're home all day. I could home school my kids effectively while living in the shittiest part of Detroit. The problem with the schools you refer to isn't the teachers - it's the parents. If the parents don't give a crap, which most there don't, the school system has no hope, even if it's the Beverly Hills school system. It's equally incorrect to think that teachers in "great" school systems are what makes the kids succeed or to think that teachers in "bad" school systems are what makes the kids fail.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'A')fter that, we put the nastiest, most borderline cops we can in the area to regularly beat and terrorize the inhabitants (ala the "Training Day" movie). While we call it "affordable housing" what it really becomes is "minimum security prison." This is the invisible cage in which the project inhabitants live, and everyone else avoids.

Hell of a prison - freedom to roam, free money, you can be obese, TV, freedom to breed without fear your brood will starve. Hell of a prison. Wait 20 years. These losers will be begging for what they have today. Fact is, most of these ghetto dwellers don't support law enforcement, one way or the other. They don't view law enforcement as protecting them from crime. So what can be said about that?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'O')f course, spreading out affordable housing to multiple neighborhoods, allowing poor children to attend schools with wealthier ones, where they learn about money and responsibility and correct behavior and health care and so on . . .
This kind of bizarre Marxist thinking is, to me, very worrisome.
Anybody who thinks that the problem with inner city black kids is their failure to be exposed to more rich white kids and nice schools where they can "learn about money and responsibility" needs to get out there and volunteer in an inner city slum.

The problem isn't a failure to be exposed to some element, X, in society. The problem is that they're being exposed, on a daily basis, to the horrible black culture that dominates their socio-economic group. Mom, dad - wherever he is - are all subscribers. They eat breathe and live the culture. How can you expect the kids to come out from under that when Mom herself is a member? By showing them how whitey lives? Hah! If only it were that simple. Look, LeShawn, see how these white people live - they have nice cars, they dress well, their teeth are straight. You see? Your mother is a filthy whore who doesn't really care about you. Now which way do you want to go LeShawn? Hmmm? :lol:

These people don't want your help. They want your handouts. They don't want to be "better" than they are. They don't want to improve. They want to milk the system as hard and for as long as possible.

At one point in my life I tried to help the people you defend here. By showing them how wasteful and horrible smoking was, by attempting to show them how they could save money by not buying crap food and eating out, by encouraging them to lose weight, to care for their children, to not listen to violent, nasty music, to not drink soda and other tooth rot, to encourage their kids to do well in school.

It ended up being a tremendous waste of my time. With few exceptions, these people don't want help getting "better." They want to keep living like they are. And why not? If you're rich enough to have a 40" wide ass that you can sit on for free every day, why would you want to work for 10 bucks an hour? Why would you want to show personal restraint?

Frankly, I look at all the sad shits in suburbia running themselves ragged trying to keep up the McMansion payments and the manicured lawn while running 400k in mortgage, CC, car, and student loan debt, and I think to myself, had I not had the motivation to rise out of that suburban hell myself, it would be a tough call - I might just settle into the throngs of welfare piglets and suck a little free milk myself. I'll tell you this - I'd make the money go a lot further than most of these losers do.

These people aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Or do black males just not have any ambition genes? Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing 'em how great whitey has it.

If you couldn't pull yourself out of poverty over the last 40 years, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Shu-Tee-Kwuh doesn't want you to make her a better person. She doesn't want to get a college degree. She doesn't want to work 40 hours a week. She doesn't want to refrain from having sex with 100 different men. She doesn't want to remain childless until she's 25 and established and financially capable of dealing with motherhood. She doesn't want a house and a white picket fence.

She wants a free ride.

If you don't think so, you just don't know her.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 14:50:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', ' ')Why the 1/3 does not rise up and put a stop to this is beyond me...


Not sure what you want those of us who are working to rise up and put a stop to - social security? Unemployment insurance? Food stamps?

Can you clarify specifically what you want folks to rise up and put a stop to and how it would benefit us? Personally, I don't see a benefit in cutting off support to millions of people. As far as rising up and stopping it, how would that be accomplished, I wonder? I suppose we could all stop working too, and bring the country to a halt. But that would only work if we all did it at the same time. Otherwise, we would just look like the rest of the unemployed people...
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 14:51:44

Two things:

1. If I'm reading this correctly, these people were waiting in line to get a form. A piece of paper. How hard is it to print and distribute 30,000 pieces of paper?

This just shows how utterly incompetent the bureaucracy has become.

2. What about the rights of people to live in communities of their choosing?

In my hometown, real estate prices were high because people were desperate to move in to take advantage of the excellent public school system. The system was excellent BECAUSE the people who lived there were hardworking and had smart, ambitious children. The school actually spent LESS per student than the state average.

When the town tried to build a massive public housing project, the people erupted in anger. They were working 60+ hours a week so their kids could go to a decent school. Now the town wanted to let in people whose children could only diminish the quality of the public school. If the public school declined in quality, property prices would collapse and all the hard work of thousands of parents would have been for nothing. In effect, the town wanted to steal about a hundred thousand dollars from every family in the town. How fair is that?
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 14:55:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', ' ')The rich are forced down to meet the less rich.



Not in the US.

Income distribution in the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIkIph5xcU
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:01:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')When the town tried to build a massive public housing project, the people erupted in anger.



Because it's better if poor folks live in tent cities without adequate sanitation, so typhoid and cholera can develop and flies can spread it to the nice neighborhoods and kill the hardworking people.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Expatriot » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:04:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', ' ')The rich are forced down to meet the less rich.

Not in the US.

You sound like you don't have much income. Is that accurate?

When I made 20k a year and lived with my parents, I paid about 1 grand in taxes a year.
When I made 60k a year and lived in a simple house, I paid about 8 grand a year in taxes.
When I made several hundred grand and lived in a nice house, I paid over a 100 grand in taxes.

What on earth could you say in response to that to contradict my lying eyes?
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:23:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')You sound like you don't have much income. Is that accurate?


Yes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '[')b]When I made several hundred grand and lived in a nice house, I paid over a 100 grand in taxes.


Looks like you benefited from being a hardworking guy! I bet you worked a lot harder than the lady who cleaned the toilets all day.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'W')hat on earth could you say in response to that to contradict my lying eyes?


Tax rates in the US are historically VERY low on upper earners, and lower than those of many other developed countries. Wealth disparity in the US is among the highest in the world. If the wealthy were being pushed down to meet the poor, there would be very little wealth disparity.

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/busin ... ealth.html
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:23:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an you clarify specifically what you want folks to rise up and put a stop to and how it would benefit us? Personally, I don't see a benefit in cutting off support to millions of people.


Unfortunately you're right. It's too late, you can't pull the plug without the cities of the nation exploding, and a lot of other places too, i.e. every assisted living center and VFW in the nation. There's no apparent way to stop it. Hard enough to keep it from getting worse.

You'd have to wean everybody off of the system somehow...starting with the 70 million baby boomers who are just now starting to get into line to collect their social security. It is a terrible problem.

Maybe it will come to a screeching halt by itself. It would serve the rest of us right.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:24:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'W')hat on earth could you say in response to that to contradict my lying eyes?

You are not rich. I'm not saying this to be nasty so please don't take it personally, but you are not part of the elite, top 5% of this country and therefore, you are lumped into the bottom 95%.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Expatriot » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Looks like you benefited from being a hardworking guy! I bet you worked a lot harder than the lady who cleaned the toilets all day.

I'd have to meet her, but if she was as hard working as me, it would seem impossible that she'd be cleaning toilets very long.
Back in the days when I cleaned toilets for a living, for about 7 bucks an hour, I always worked 40 hours a week. Often, I had 2 jobs, and I worked 60-80 hours a week. I also went to school and I'd regularly stay up all night to get work done, and so on. After working very hard at whatever job I had, I started my own business. To say I worked 80 hours a week for years to get the business to the point where it was generating a good income is not exaggerating. Also, I essentially invested the 70 grand I had saved up in the business.
When I cleaned toilets for a living it was much easier. Slow pace. 40 hours. Do the work, go home, no stress or worry. Sure, I only made 14 grand a year, with no overtime, but living was easy. Very easy.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Tax rates in the US are historically VERY low on upper earners


I'll try again.
When I made 20k, I paid about 1k in taxes.
When I made 80k, I paid about 8k in taxes.
When I made several hundred k, I paid over 100 grand in taxes.

What's not clear about that? No need to refer to "historical" anything.. I lived it.

If "middle class" are those making 50-100 grand a year in the U.S., then the middle class don't pay squat for taxes.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Expatriot » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:33:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'W')hat on earth could you say in response to that to contradict my lying eyes?

You are not rich. I'm not saying this to be nasty so please don't take it personally, but you are not part of the elite, top 5% of this country and therefore, you are lumped into the bottom 95%.

Sorry to break your heart dude, but by any measure of net worth, I am part of the top 5%.
Regarding income, I was part of the top 1% until I begged out of the system.

And no, I don't take much personally, so no worries.

EDIT TO Add - (95th percentile of net worth is 1.4 million. Considering a well-paid surgeon or lawyer makes a fifth or more of that each year in income, it's a shockingly low number, I know.)
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:39:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')Sorry to break your heart dude, but by any measure of net worth, I am part of the top 5%.



In spite of being pushed down by all those taxes.
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Re: Big Brouhaha over Section 8 vouchers in Atlanta

Unread postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 12 Aug 2010, 15:54:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'S')orry to break your heart dude, but by any measure of net worth, I am part of the top 5%.
Regarding income, I was part of the top 1% until I begged out of the system.

And no, I don't take much personally, so no worries.

My apologies. I'm actually kind of excited that one of the elite, top 5% of our ruling class is posting here at PO.com (to say nothing of the fact that you personally addressed me as "dude").

However, I do find it odd that you're taking time out of your day to voice your disapproval over subsidized housing. Shouldn't you be fighting to make the repeal of the death tax permanent (since real wealth is, apparently, generational). I suggest you switch PR firms, your lobbying efforts are currently falling on deaf ears and strike me as... primitive.

I'm also surprised that you're so upset with the current system, since the top %5 seem to be doing so well. Please be careful!!! It's no picnick down here in the middle class.

Best of luck... dude :lol:
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