I agree with leann's post, in her first paragraph that the concept or social/communism works in small groups.
I think it fails when it gives itself a name and tries to spread itself as a power. Also it fails (or capitalism makes it fail) because capitalism works if you want to be powerfull and socialism isn't looking for power, just basic sustainability. Plus the strong emphisis on not having a religion while there is no practiced methods of spirituality to unite itself with. A tribe with a spiritual ceremony/ not organized religion/ would fare good except when it becomes a clear threat in the face of capitalism.
So you gotta keep it underground untill everyone is, mutally with it, and undetected by the powers that be and want to be.
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by BudDwyer » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 13:39:44
...Which is why, not only the first but, the first two rules of ***** **** is "you do not talk about it."
I like to say rules 1 thru 3 is "don't let it amuse you" incase you think I'm talking about some amussing movie.
Seplilnig aisdie you can haer waht I'm sysnig.
-u dig
I like to say rules 1 thru 3 is "don't let it amuse you" incase you think I'm talking about some amussing movie.
Seplilnig aisdie you can haer waht I'm sysnig.
-u dig
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by BudDwyer » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 13:52:48
Further more...
It's better to think of socialism as a project than a seperate state/government. It is simply a concept that is worked on but hard to achieve.
Also a good "tribal leader" is not someone who will provide the most materials, but provide the most uniting of the tribe and shouldn't care of they're own "status." That would be a king. It would be best to have a king be a dead man. Your true king might be George Washington maybe, or Haile Selassie.
It's better to think of socialism as a project than a seperate state/government. It is simply a concept that is worked on but hard to achieve.
Also a good "tribal leader" is not someone who will provide the most materials, but provide the most uniting of the tribe and shouldn't care of they're own "status." That would be a king. It would be best to have a king be a dead man. Your true king might be George Washington maybe, or Haile Selassie.
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by BudDwyer » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 14:26:25
I think a good refining of the rules is-
1-this does not have a name
2-do not give it a name
3-this does not have a name so don't give it a name
4-you do not talk about it
5-stfu about it
6-one ***** at a time
7-...etc.
The rules aren't the rules of the establishment of the "thing", they are the rules of the process in which we should achieve the concept so it becomes somthing you wouldn't even know existed. And if plotters of power, or those working for plotters of power, read this- get in where you fit in. If anyone want's this to work don't do it for yourself or your problems because the problems you have are the problems-
THE WHOLE WORLD IS SHARING.
Maybe the problems aren't shared equally but still- a politician's drug addiction, greed, or lost mind, and an poor mans hunger, or wan't for revenge are the same shared problem. No one will be excluded from living free. And no one should be punished unless by themself.
And I'm saying nothing of an ideal or an ism.
1-this does not have a name
2-do not give it a name
3-this does not have a name so don't give it a name
4-you do not talk about it
5-stfu about it
6-one ***** at a time
7-...etc.
The rules aren't the rules of the establishment of the "thing", they are the rules of the process in which we should achieve the concept so it becomes somthing you wouldn't even know existed. And if plotters of power, or those working for plotters of power, read this- get in where you fit in. If anyone want's this to work don't do it for yourself or your problems because the problems you have are the problems-
THE WHOLE WORLD IS SHARING.
Maybe the problems aren't shared equally but still- a politician's drug addiction, greed, or lost mind, and an poor mans hunger, or wan't for revenge are the same shared problem. No one will be excluded from living free. And no one should be punished unless by themself.
And I'm saying nothing of an ideal or an ism.
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by BudDwyer » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 15:27:39
In regards of the possibility of tribal/communal/community-living working untill a police state takes over to secure the resources, perhaps we can learn a lessen from the Capoeirist(not sure of spelling) revolution in Brazil.
Before thinking of fighting with your life for your community to avoid capture (assuming you will be captured and not killed on the spot,) think about this-
Back in the days while slaves were taken from Africa and brought to North America by Americans, they were also being taken from Africa and brought to South America by the Spanish.
It's not sure whether the capoeira came from afirica or south america, maybe a little of both. Capoeira is a dance style that looks kinda like fighting, but more importantly, it is also a deadly fighting style diguised as dancing. Think "Eddy" from "Teken." Kind of like "break dancing." It involved flowing rotations of your body to acheive very powerfull kicks.
When the Africans were put into slave camps of Brazil, so were native south americans. Many of the African tribes where rivals and would fight each other.
Some where along the time line the tribes realized they had a common enemy, their masters, and united. They shared their cultural dances on Sundays when they were allowed to exercise freely. Little did their masters know, they were practicing a deadly fighting art and plotting their escape.
When they had their fighting skills strong, they decided it was time and they rebelled and escaped. Some were recaptured but many escaped and head for the mountains, Brazilians and Africans alike.
They found an un-touched tribal city in the mountains and shared their story and their art of Capoeira. There they practiced it and it became a culture with everyone involved in it. They perfected their art even more.
Eventually the city was found and most of them were captured and put in slave camps. But this time they were all in different camps than eachother.
So what did they do? They shared their Capoeira with the slaves and again started practicing it right under their masters noses. The mountains and free people still practiced it too and spread the art. Then when the time was right, they swarmed from the mountains and freed the slaves.
This was how the slaves in South America won their independence.
After a while, the richer and usually whiter people tried to out law Capoeira but the Capoeira prevailed again.
Now in more free times Capoeira is still practiced as- playing, dancing, and fighting. It can unite people as a culture and build individual character as you develope your own style. And most importantly-
The Capoeira fights with...
what he is fighting for.
Think about this.
Now a days one could say Brazil is a very liberated country with fun and play as the ideal. However it is still having problems with the rich vs poor and the drugs/voilence. Youths who have nothing to turn to will turn to violence but lo...
They are making a culture of it. Has anyone heard of "Brazilian funk balls" I read about them in a rolling stone years ago and haven't heard much about them since. I guess it's really underground.
-peace
Before thinking of fighting with your life for your community to avoid capture (assuming you will be captured and not killed on the spot,) think about this-
Back in the days while slaves were taken from Africa and brought to North America by Americans, they were also being taken from Africa and brought to South America by the Spanish.
It's not sure whether the capoeira came from afirica or south america, maybe a little of both. Capoeira is a dance style that looks kinda like fighting, but more importantly, it is also a deadly fighting style diguised as dancing. Think "Eddy" from "Teken." Kind of like "break dancing." It involved flowing rotations of your body to acheive very powerfull kicks.
When the Africans were put into slave camps of Brazil, so were native south americans. Many of the African tribes where rivals and would fight each other.
Some where along the time line the tribes realized they had a common enemy, their masters, and united. They shared their cultural dances on Sundays when they were allowed to exercise freely. Little did their masters know, they were practicing a deadly fighting art and plotting their escape.
When they had their fighting skills strong, they decided it was time and they rebelled and escaped. Some were recaptured but many escaped and head for the mountains, Brazilians and Africans alike.
They found an un-touched tribal city in the mountains and shared their story and their art of Capoeira. There they practiced it and it became a culture with everyone involved in it. They perfected their art even more.
Eventually the city was found and most of them were captured and put in slave camps. But this time they were all in different camps than eachother.
So what did they do? They shared their Capoeira with the slaves and again started practicing it right under their masters noses. The mountains and free people still practiced it too and spread the art. Then when the time was right, they swarmed from the mountains and freed the slaves.
This was how the slaves in South America won their independence.
After a while, the richer and usually whiter people tried to out law Capoeira but the Capoeira prevailed again.
Now in more free times Capoeira is still practiced as- playing, dancing, and fighting. It can unite people as a culture and build individual character as you develope your own style. And most importantly-
The Capoeira fights with...
what he is fighting for.
Think about this.
Now a days one could say Brazil is a very liberated country with fun and play as the ideal. However it is still having problems with the rich vs poor and the drugs/voilence. Youths who have nothing to turn to will turn to violence but lo...
They are making a culture of it. Has anyone heard of "Brazilian funk balls" I read about them in a rolling stone years ago and haven't heard much about them since. I guess it's really underground.
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by Aaron » Fri 23 Jul 2004, 16:07:45
I suspect the same power brokers who influence things in today's world, will continue to do so without regard to the expressed social order.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or myself, I don't really believe in political ideology at all.
It's hard to even classify some issue or positions liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. Furthermore, people who identify themselves with a political party, don't always tow the party line, and end up opposed to the position of their own party. People decide issues based on the influences they experience, not necessarily their affiliations.
Finally I posit that we exist in a de facto state of anarchy, despite flowery rhetoric to the contrary. People of every ideology, every creed, and every political group act in their own best interest. (or at least their idea of best) We may choose to label these actions or inactions whatever we want, but this convenient fiction does not alter the reality itself... only our concept of it. The entire idea of politics fails to embrace the real ideology behind all of these camps... money.
I'm perfectly happy to accept any definition you care to entertain, and will abide by any laws you choose, unless I judge your choices to be poor ones. In that case I will work to influence things to change what I view as a mistake. And I assume everyone else will do the same...
In other words... anarchy.
Don't misunderstand... I'm a proud American. I need look no further than my grandfather to experience the best in American patriotism. Let's remember that republicans & democrats are not established by our constitution, but rather function under it's umbrella. The whole American idea of government is itself almost an admission of the true nature of society.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or myself, I don't really believe in political ideology at all.
It's hard to even classify some issue or positions liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. Furthermore, people who identify themselves with a political party, don't always tow the party line, and end up opposed to the position of their own party. People decide issues based on the influences they experience, not necessarily their affiliations.
Finally I posit that we exist in a de facto state of anarchy, despite flowery rhetoric to the contrary. People of every ideology, every creed, and every political group act in their own best interest. (or at least their idea of best) We may choose to label these actions or inactions whatever we want, but this convenient fiction does not alter the reality itself... only our concept of it. The entire idea of politics fails to embrace the real ideology behind all of these camps... money.
I'm perfectly happy to accept any definition you care to entertain, and will abide by any laws you choose, unless I judge your choices to be poor ones. In that case I will work to influence things to change what I view as a mistake. And I assume everyone else will do the same...
In other words... anarchy.
Don't misunderstand... I'm a proud American. I need look no further than my grandfather to experience the best in American patriotism. Let's remember that republicans & democrats are not established by our constitution, but rather function under it's umbrella. The whole American idea of government is itself almost an admission of the true nature of society.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.
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by BudDwyer » Sat 24 Jul 2004, 17:46:52
Word.
I used to consider myself an "anarchist" but then the term kind of lost meaning and respected definition.
snip...
"An´arch`y
Noun 1. anarchy - a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government) "
"A government is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory. There are several definitions on what exactly constitutes a government. "
...unsnip
I can't find a simple definition of what government means. If it is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory, that is more clear, but that could mean a lot of things-
Lets say the "certain territory" is Earth. I'd say thats a good way to look at it because we all share (maybe not fairly, but) the Earth.
That means that WE ARE the government of the Earth. Who is to say we are not organized?
"Privileged position" hmm... since those most priviledged are the ones in power, if we were all free we would all be priviledged. So perhaps we are all the government of the earth no matter what. Parties in the "US government" argue and disagree all the time. You could say that is the state of the Earth government right now.
"Lawlessness and dissorder"? Even animals that live in harmony follow the laws of nature and they are organized.
Or´gan`ize
v. t. 1. (Biol.) To furnish with organs; to give an organic structure to; to endow with capacity for the functions of life; as, an organized being; organized matter; - in this sense used chiefly in the past participle.
[imp. & p. p. Organized ; p. pr. & vb. n. Organizing .]
These nobler faculties of the mind, matter organized could never produce.
- Ray.
2. To arrange or constitute in parts, each having a special function, act, office, or relation; to systematize; to get into working order; - applied to products of the human intellect, or to human institutions and undertakings, as a science, a government, an army, a war, etc.
This original and supreme will organizes the government.
- Cranch.
"Government"- is a constant.
If the definition of "government" is- greedy polititians that don't care for every one in this "certain territory." And the definition of "anarchist" is- one who wants to remove government and live with out it. Then I would be all for anarchy (in this deffinition).
However...
Anarchy or anarchism is really just another "ism".
I would be labeled as somthing that excludes others if it is an ism and I would be labeled as somthing lacking a respected definition.
People often use it in the place of "freedom" and I think a lot of people respect the definition of anarchy as freedom.
Free´dom Pronunciation: frē´dŭm
Noun 1. freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints
-I can see why that is an often concieved defintion of anarchy.
The "anarchist" wants to be free of "imposed restraints". Especially unfair imposed restraints.
The part of anarchy I have a problem with its "disorder"
Dis`or´der
Noun 1. disorder - condition in which there is a disturbance of normal functioning; "the doctor prescribed some medicine for the disorder"; "everyone gets stomach upsets from time to time"
-this makes it sound like a bad thing, an illness.
Anarchy for freedom makes more sense compared to the definiton of "order"-
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/order
-but that word has so many definitions, the first one being- "putting things in order," that it is very unclear. It could mean anything from "harmony" to "forced commands".
I agree with a lot of what people are saying when they say "anarchy will bring peace" however weird it sounds. I feel they are really trying to say they want to stop the greed and suffering in the world and the only way to do it is to let chaos take over all this greed-manipulated order and the chaos will put the "natural order and harmony" back into effect. If you have a good cause/idea and you really believe it will help everyone out, you better not give it a name. The name will destroy it.
Also a really strong point I want to make... When I picture "anarchy" I see it as the exact definition of the word. I picture people going around doing what they have always wanted to- destroying things, burning stuff, running away from the destruction, partying in the street around big fires and drums, killing hippies, killing negros, trying to save hippies and negros, killing anyone, people still dressed as cops and doing what they have always wanted to do and get away with as cops, graffiti artists killing cops or just doing graffiti as usual but in better spots, looting, pilaging, violence, even hole US armies still functioning as armies destroying things, people forming communitys in the mountains with defences and causes, ya know "anarchy". The idea people have when they say "anarchy" will bring peace is that we will get all our frustrations out and get real, the way we should be. However it isn't working yet is it? One could say that we already live in "anarchy" Is this anarchy not bringing peace because the slippery concept of "law" may be stoping some of us from taking part in this world state of anarchy? Is it our human-nature to be anarchic violent destroyers? Yes I believe so. But we must remember one of the most important rules that we have been given:
"One fight at a time, fellas."
Do you understand?
If the constant state of anarchy we live in isn't lived in a controled enviornment "one fight at a time"- our defense mechanisms will take over. Isn't the war in Iraq, the war in Vietnam where my brothers are endlessly dieing all based on a defense mechanism.
I kind of sucks that people quote things from "fghit culb" like this and it always amuses them and they can relate to the meaning of it and they love "the message" but they are still afraid to punch them self in the face as hard as they can.
"Punch your self in the face as hard you can. Stupid, that won't solve anything."
FUK THAT! Try it you scarred little girl! How do you know untill you try it? Think about it. Why aren't you doing it? Don't want to ruin your pretty face?
I just did it right now and the highness is slowly fading in. I don't even know why I'm typing shhit on this board, now. I guess to try to get others motivated to decice their own level of involvement. Ok you know what, don't do it if you don't want to right now. I'm gonna shut up. I think I've said enough. And this post is not directed at anyone but at everyone.
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I used to consider myself an "anarchist" but then the term kind of lost meaning and respected definition.
snip...
"An´arch`y
Noun 1. anarchy - a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government) "
"A government is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory. There are several definitions on what exactly constitutes a government. "
...unsnip
I can't find a simple definition of what government means. If it is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory, that is more clear, but that could mean a lot of things-
Lets say the "certain territory" is Earth. I'd say thats a good way to look at it because we all share (maybe not fairly, but) the Earth.
That means that WE ARE the government of the Earth. Who is to say we are not organized?
"Privileged position" hmm... since those most priviledged are the ones in power, if we were all free we would all be priviledged. So perhaps we are all the government of the earth no matter what. Parties in the "US government" argue and disagree all the time. You could say that is the state of the Earth government right now.
"Lawlessness and dissorder"? Even animals that live in harmony follow the laws of nature and they are organized.
Or´gan`ize
v. t. 1. (Biol.) To furnish with organs; to give an organic structure to; to endow with capacity for the functions of life; as, an organized being; organized matter; - in this sense used chiefly in the past participle.
[imp. & p. p. Organized ; p. pr. & vb. n. Organizing .]
These nobler faculties of the mind, matter organized could never produce.
- Ray.
2. To arrange or constitute in parts, each having a special function, act, office, or relation; to systematize; to get into working order; - applied to products of the human intellect, or to human institutions and undertakings, as a science, a government, an army, a war, etc.
This original and supreme will organizes the government.
- Cranch.
"Government"- is a constant.
If the definition of "government" is- greedy polititians that don't care for every one in this "certain territory." And the definition of "anarchist" is- one who wants to remove government and live with out it. Then I would be all for anarchy (in this deffinition).
However...
Anarchy or anarchism is really just another "ism".
I would be labeled as somthing that excludes others if it is an ism and I would be labeled as somthing lacking a respected definition.
People often use it in the place of "freedom" and I think a lot of people respect the definition of anarchy as freedom.
Free´dom Pronunciation: frē´dŭm
Noun 1. freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints
-I can see why that is an often concieved defintion of anarchy.
The "anarchist" wants to be free of "imposed restraints". Especially unfair imposed restraints.
The part of anarchy I have a problem with its "disorder"
Dis`or´der
Noun 1. disorder - condition in which there is a disturbance of normal functioning; "the doctor prescribed some medicine for the disorder"; "everyone gets stomach upsets from time to time"
-this makes it sound like a bad thing, an illness.
Anarchy for freedom makes more sense compared to the definiton of "order"-
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/order
-but that word has so many definitions, the first one being- "putting things in order," that it is very unclear. It could mean anything from "harmony" to "forced commands".
I agree with a lot of what people are saying when they say "anarchy will bring peace" however weird it sounds. I feel they are really trying to say they want to stop the greed and suffering in the world and the only way to do it is to let chaos take over all this greed-manipulated order and the chaos will put the "natural order and harmony" back into effect. If you have a good cause/idea and you really believe it will help everyone out, you better not give it a name. The name will destroy it.
Also a really strong point I want to make... When I picture "anarchy" I see it as the exact definition of the word. I picture people going around doing what they have always wanted to- destroying things, burning stuff, running away from the destruction, partying in the street around big fires and drums, killing hippies, killing negros, trying to save hippies and negros, killing anyone, people still dressed as cops and doing what they have always wanted to do and get away with as cops, graffiti artists killing cops or just doing graffiti as usual but in better spots, looting, pilaging, violence, even hole US armies still functioning as armies destroying things, people forming communitys in the mountains with defences and causes, ya know "anarchy". The idea people have when they say "anarchy" will bring peace is that we will get all our frustrations out and get real, the way we should be. However it isn't working yet is it? One could say that we already live in "anarchy" Is this anarchy not bringing peace because the slippery concept of "law" may be stoping some of us from taking part in this world state of anarchy? Is it our human-nature to be anarchic violent destroyers? Yes I believe so. But we must remember one of the most important rules that we have been given:
"One fight at a time, fellas."
Do you understand?
If the constant state of anarchy we live in isn't lived in a controled enviornment "one fight at a time"- our defense mechanisms will take over. Isn't the war in Iraq, the war in Vietnam where my brothers are endlessly dieing all based on a defense mechanism.
I kind of sucks that people quote things from "fghit culb" like this and it always amuses them and they can relate to the meaning of it and they love "the message" but they are still afraid to punch them self in the face as hard as they can.
"Punch your self in the face as hard you can. Stupid, that won't solve anything."
FUK THAT! Try it you scarred little girl! How do you know untill you try it? Think about it. Why aren't you doing it? Don't want to ruin your pretty face?
I just did it right now and the highness is slowly fading in. I don't even know why I'm typing shhit on this board, now. I guess to try to get others motivated to decice their own level of involvement. Ok you know what, don't do it if you don't want to right now. I'm gonna shut up. I think I've said enough. And this post is not directed at anyone but at everyone.
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by Soft_Landing » Sat 24 Jul 2004, 19:10:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tkn317071', 'W')hen will we get past old, obsolete dichotomies and realize that balance is what is crucial? and anytime the balance tilts heavily to one side, systems fail and have to re-order themselves.
I agree very much with the sentiment.
Perhaps I suggest: Balanced systems are long run optimal. Sure. But probably, that means that unbalanced systems can achieve short run dominance over balanced systems.
Real world example.
Perhaps a socialistic governmental structure would work if there was only one world government. There's nothing external to compete with, and it probably does a fair job of keeping a good amount of its people happy internally. However, whilstever there are other countries who are capitalist, they will always outgrow socialistic countries in the short to medium term. Hence, the out of balance system (capitalism) will destroy the balanced systems until it goes too far out of balance, and destroys itself.
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 03:37:41
Socialistic government structure...
Society
Noun
1. An extended social group having a distinctive cultural and economic organization.
2. A formal association of people with similar interests; "he joined a golf club"; "they formed a small lunch society"; "men from the fraternal order will staff the soup kitchen today".
3. The state of being with someone; "he missed their company"; "he enjoyed the society of his friends".
Society can keep a lot of people from dying. Socializing can help us comunicate, relate, and perhaps make you care for someone's well being. Government is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory(Earth). As for structure
Structure:
Noun
1. A thing constructed; a complex construction or entity; "the structure consisted of a series of arches"; "she wore her hair in an amazing construction of whirls and ribbons".
2. The manner of construction of something and the arrangement of its parts; "artists must study the structure of the human body"; "the structure of the benzene molecule".
3. The complex composition of knowledge as elements and their combinations; "his lectures have no structure".
4. A particular complex anatomical structure; "he has good bone structure".
5. The people in a society considered as a system organized by a characteristic pattern of relationships; "the social organization of England and America is very different"; "sociologists have studied the changing structure of the family".
Beep boop bop boop beep.
Understand?
"Man made himself up. Fuk, he he made everything up. He wrote the codes and language. He framed the game. He wrote the laws. He changes them every time he gets caught. He's a fuking liar."
An "ism" wont get us out of the hole. The idea behind the "ism" might. But please don't give it a name.
"There once was a dream that was called Rome. You could only wisper it. Any louder and it would disapear." -gladiator
Here's a few other dreams-
communism
capitalism
nationalism
humanism
soicialism
anarchism
junglism
marxism
christianity
ismizzissism
I wonder what would have happened if MLK said "Equalism will work, my brothers."instead of "I have a dream that one day..."
Understand.
If there is to be a structure it should only be a structure to remove "the structure." And I propose-
1- You do not name this.
2- This has and can NOT have a name.
3- Since this has no name, if you try to try to name it you won't be talking about it.
4- You do not talk about it.
5- You DO NOT talk about it.
6- If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.
7- Only two guys to a fight.
8- One fight at a time.
9- No shirts, no shoes.
10- No eye gouging
11- Fights will go on as long as they have to.
13- No excuses.
14- No lies.
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"I have no goal and I feel great all the time."
-"Well that makes sense in a really sad way."
-"Oh yeah, you wanna here something sad..."
Society
Noun
1. An extended social group having a distinctive cultural and economic organization.
2. A formal association of people with similar interests; "he joined a golf club"; "they formed a small lunch society"; "men from the fraternal order will staff the soup kitchen today".
3. The state of being with someone; "he missed their company"; "he enjoyed the society of his friends".
Society can keep a lot of people from dying. Socializing can help us comunicate, relate, and perhaps make you care for someone's well being. Government is an organisation that has a privileged position within a certain territory(Earth). As for structure
Structure:
Noun
1. A thing constructed; a complex construction or entity; "the structure consisted of a series of arches"; "she wore her hair in an amazing construction of whirls and ribbons".
2. The manner of construction of something and the arrangement of its parts; "artists must study the structure of the human body"; "the structure of the benzene molecule".
3. The complex composition of knowledge as elements and their combinations; "his lectures have no structure".
4. A particular complex anatomical structure; "he has good bone structure".
5. The people in a society considered as a system organized by a characteristic pattern of relationships; "the social organization of England and America is very different"; "sociologists have studied the changing structure of the family".
Beep boop bop boop beep.
Understand?
"Man made himself up. Fuk, he he made everything up. He wrote the codes and language. He framed the game. He wrote the laws. He changes them every time he gets caught. He's a fuking liar."
An "ism" wont get us out of the hole. The idea behind the "ism" might. But please don't give it a name.
"There once was a dream that was called Rome. You could only wisper it. Any louder and it would disapear." -gladiator
Here's a few other dreams-
communism
capitalism
nationalism
humanism
soicialism
anarchism
junglism
marxism
christianity
ismizzissism
I wonder what would have happened if MLK said "Equalism will work, my brothers."instead of "I have a dream that one day..."
Understand.
If there is to be a structure it should only be a structure to remove "the structure." And I propose-
1- You do not name this.
2- This has and can NOT have a name.
3- Since this has no name, if you try to try to name it you won't be talking about it.
4- You do not talk about it.
5- You DO NOT talk about it.
6- If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.
7- Only two guys to a fight.
8- One fight at a time.
9- No shirts, no shoes.
10- No eye gouging
11- Fights will go on as long as they have to.
13- No excuses.
14- No lies.
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by RIPSmithianEconomics » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 04:17:02
Ultimately, Capitolism and Socialism are ineffective systems, because both cannot be permanent. Feudalism is the future, and a dark, terrible and bloody future at that.
What once was, will be again. What now is, will never be again.
What once was, will be again. What now is, will never be again.
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 04:43:39
Feu´dal`ism Pronunciation: fū´dal`ĭz'm
Noun 1. feudalism - the social system that developed in Europe in the 8th C; vassals were protected by lords who they had to serve in war
a. 1. Ware; aware.
n. 1.
1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, whether for defence, for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce, for the acquisition of territory, for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other, or for any other purpose; armed conflict of sovereign powers; declared and open hostilities.
Men will ever distinguish war from mere bloodshed.
- F. W. Robertson.
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/state
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Noun 1. feudalism - the social system that developed in Europe in the 8th C; vassals were protected by lords who they had to serve in war
a. 1. Ware; aware.
n. 1.
1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, whether for defence, for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce, for the acquisition of territory, for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other, or for any other purpose; armed conflict of sovereign powers; declared and open hostilities.
Men will ever distinguish war from mere bloodshed.
- F. W. Robertson.
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/state
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 04:50:28
"The way we fight,
is what we are fighting for."
"What we are fighting for,
can only be acheived by fighting with it."
I'm down for any of you to punch me in the face as hard as you can. Learn the credit of my word and put it to the test. All I need is your phone number, and, or want of my phone number to meet and let you witness my credit.
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"Can you hear me now?
...Good."
is what we are fighting for."
"What we are fighting for,
can only be acheived by fighting with it."
I'm down for any of you to punch me in the face as hard as you can. Learn the credit of my word and put it to the test. All I need is your phone number, and, or want of my phone number to meet and let you witness my credit.
____________________
"Can you hear me now?
...Good."
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RE: The way we fight
by EnviroEngr » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 04:56:38
You do bring a curious new perspective to these discussions. It's a soul searching adventure.
Still working out your modalities. When I get the translations right, I'll return a missive.
Still working out your modalities. When I get the translations right, I'll return a missive.
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 05:12:43
Thank you Enviro.
I love how you are open and philisophical.
But remember- "Art is more important than science."
I am sure you know who said that- A.E.
"A word of advice," or "words of wisdom":
I had to take anti-psychotic pills to bring me back to a functioning state in this society.
During my first "psychosis" (one out of three waves of "psychosis") I was panicly searching for the meaning of every word in the respected english dictionary. I started with the first word and then with the first definition of the definition of the first word. It was crazy. I gave up after a while, it would have taken too long.
I would never wish a "psychosis" on my worst enemy.
The psychosises may have actualy helped me in some ways but let me emphasize this-
IT WAS "HELL" -in every definition of the word.
I am glad you are taking interest in this topic/thought-flow and am eager to hear more from you, or any one for that matter.
-peace
I love how you are open and philisophical.
But remember- "Art is more important than science."
I am sure you know who said that- A.E.
"A word of advice," or "words of wisdom":
I had to take anti-psychotic pills to bring me back to a functioning state in this society.
During my first "psychosis" (one out of three waves of "psychosis") I was panicly searching for the meaning of every word in the respected english dictionary. I started with the first word and then with the first definition of the definition of the first word. It was crazy. I gave up after a while, it would have taken too long.
I would never wish a "psychosis" on my worst enemy.
The psychosises may have actualy helped me in some ways but let me emphasize this-
IT WAS "HELL" -in every definition of the word.
I am glad you are taking interest in this topic/thought-flow and am eager to hear more from you, or any one for that matter.
-peace
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The "outer limits"
by EnviroEngr » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 06:10:38
I understand and am familiar with these and related altered states of consciousness.
You would do well to get a thorough understanding of what East Indian mystics call Kundalini. Doctor Lee Sannella has done a very good "Western" job of working with this predominantly "Eastern" concept.
http://www.skaggs-island.org/humanistic/sannella/
It is now widely held that luminaries such as Hildegard von Bingen and Nikola Tesla were 'blessed' with this uprising and the circumstances of their lives were replete simultaneously with triumphs and tortures. This very 'mercurial' energy with its very intense gravity and magnetism redefines in one fell swoop every characteristic of your awares, affect, knowing and sensing. Anyone unwittingly activating this new faculty will quickly learn how trivial manifest life can really be when "the Queen takes Her Throne." There are no other words to describe this 'situation'. If you've had it happen to you, you know damn well what I'm talking about.
Two other resources I've had to use:
1.) Gopi Krishna: The Awakening of Kundalini & Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man
2.) Genevieve Lewis Paulson: Kundalini and the Chakras
It is a necessity, not an option to get familiar with psychoneuromuscular developments that occur during the course of this change or surely you will 'lose it' sooner or later.
You would do well to get a thorough understanding of what East Indian mystics call Kundalini. Doctor Lee Sannella has done a very good "Western" job of working with this predominantly "Eastern" concept.
http://www.skaggs-island.org/humanistic/sannella/
It is now widely held that luminaries such as Hildegard von Bingen and Nikola Tesla were 'blessed' with this uprising and the circumstances of their lives were replete simultaneously with triumphs and tortures. This very 'mercurial' energy with its very intense gravity and magnetism redefines in one fell swoop every characteristic of your awares, affect, knowing and sensing. Anyone unwittingly activating this new faculty will quickly learn how trivial manifest life can really be when "the Queen takes Her Throne." There are no other words to describe this 'situation'. If you've had it happen to you, you know damn well what I'm talking about.
Two other resources I've had to use:
1.) Gopi Krishna: The Awakening of Kundalini & Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man
2.) Genevieve Lewis Paulson: Kundalini and the Chakras
It is a necessity, not an option to get familiar with psychoneuromuscular developments that occur during the course of this change or surely you will 'lose it' sooner or later.
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 14:58:57
Word. 1,000,000 thank yous, Eviro. I'm gonna miss the internet.
"Creative energy is the only infinite energy."
I'm gonna get poetic on the spot as I write this now-
"Just a moment ago I was flying thru the skies,
At first I saw her thighs, I never even meet her eyes,
It was mutual surprise to see our love could never die,
But the more I entered her, I couldn't tell her truth from lies,
Her name was Gaia and now she is your mother,
She spawned alot of things forgotten long long long lost brothers,
And sisters siblings from the pussy of her sea smoothered
in our love and you would never guess that it was me,
That made her loose, at first she was used and then abused,
I lose it everytime I am reminded of the bruise,
That was left on you caused you to reflect on you,
Then rejected it all and said simply fuck you,
After that we fucked so much that you could say "WE ARE FUCKED!"
A button we all push without out seeing "self destruct."
In HUGE letters on a marqi that wasn't liten.
I guess this is why this what I am spittin'!"
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I'm pleased with how that came out.
Remember-
My words are poetic but I don't take any credit,
Cause if YOU feel it, then YOU said it.
Keep the ball rolling Eviro.
-peace
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"Science is simply the perversion of itself untill it is used to better humanity."
"Creative energy is the only infinite energy."
I'm gonna get poetic on the spot as I write this now-
"Just a moment ago I was flying thru the skies,
At first I saw her thighs, I never even meet her eyes,
It was mutual surprise to see our love could never die,
But the more I entered her, I couldn't tell her truth from lies,
Her name was Gaia and now she is your mother,
She spawned alot of things forgotten long long long lost brothers,
And sisters siblings from the pussy of her sea smoothered
in our love and you would never guess that it was me,
That made her loose, at first she was used and then abused,
I lose it everytime I am reminded of the bruise,
That was left on you caused you to reflect on you,
Then rejected it all and said simply fuck you,
After that we fucked so much that you could say "WE ARE FUCKED!"
A button we all push without out seeing "self destruct."
In HUGE letters on a marqi that wasn't liten.
I guess this is why this what I am spittin'!"
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I'm pleased with how that came out.
Remember-
My words are poetic but I don't take any credit,
Cause if YOU feel it, then YOU said it.
Keep the ball rolling Eviro.
-peace
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by RIPSmithianEconomics » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 18:16:12
I question the greatness of art over science. The problem is that art is based on the irrational, whilst science stems from the rational. To quote Oscar Wilde "There are two ways of disliking art. One is to dislike it. The other is to like it rationally."
Artists, by their nature (I'm having a real Wilde moment here) cannot show the truth. Science can never be beautiful, but it can be truthful. So we have Beauty in art and Truth in science. Justice? Well, I believe that to find justice we have to look beyond deduction and creation and to induction. The work of a magistrate is like the famous escapee from Devil's Island. He sat on a rock, and through hours of observation, saw that every seventh wave pulled backwards. Using this, he escaped the supposed inescapable island. The work of a magistrate is similar in that he must look at reality rather than formulate his own reality or take reality and examine it (that is supposedly the function of the lawyers.) So, in my opinion, Justice is derived by the mind when it cools down. Zen monks make good magistrates.
Final thought- "Art is I. Science is We." -Claude Bernard. "Justice is They."
Artists, by their nature (I'm having a real Wilde moment here) cannot show the truth. Science can never be beautiful, but it can be truthful. So we have Beauty in art and Truth in science. Justice? Well, I believe that to find justice we have to look beyond deduction and creation and to induction. The work of a magistrate is like the famous escapee from Devil's Island. He sat on a rock, and through hours of observation, saw that every seventh wave pulled backwards. Using this, he escaped the supposed inescapable island. The work of a magistrate is similar in that he must look at reality rather than formulate his own reality or take reality and examine it (that is supposedly the function of the lawyers.) So, in my opinion, Justice is derived by the mind when it cools down. Zen monks make good magistrates.
Final thought- "Art is I. Science is We." -Claude Bernard. "Justice is They."
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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by BudDwyer » Sun 25 Jul 2004, 18:39:29
Intressting, RipSmith'.
Art is like charging your battery, and science is like using the battery.
Both work very well together. One alone won't work as good as both.
Try this-
You can even do it from a scientific perspective-
Go up to someone like a family member and think about everything you hate about them feel your hate for them as you tell them, "I love you."
Then feel your love for them while you tell them, "I hate you."
See if they can hear you say "I love you," when you speak the words, "I hate you."
See if they fall for your trick when you tell them you love them when your tone and feel is saying "I hate you."
If they can hear what you are really saying, they are in good shape.
If they accept the spoken words to be what you said then think about this-
This is the state most people are in these days and they can be manipulated to trust the codes and language more then the "vibe". They don't teach about the "vibe" in school simply because it has no scientific merit. But we know it exists.
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-if you really know it then act like you kn- FEEL IT."
-peace
Art is like charging your battery, and science is like using the battery.
Both work very well together. One alone won't work as good as both.
Try this-
You can even do it from a scientific perspective-
Go up to someone like a family member and think about everything you hate about them feel your hate for them as you tell them, "I love you."
Then feel your love for them while you tell them, "I hate you."
See if they can hear you say "I love you," when you speak the words, "I hate you."
See if they fall for your trick when you tell them you love them when your tone and feel is saying "I hate you."
If they can hear what you are really saying, they are in good shape.
If they accept the spoken words to be what you said then think about this-
This is the state most people are in these days and they can be manipulated to trust the codes and language more then the "vibe". They don't teach about the "vibe" in school simply because it has no scientific merit. But we know it exists.
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-if you really know it then act like you kn- FEEL IT."
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Altered states of consciousness
by L K Tucker » Fri 13 Aug 2004, 09:01:51
I do not want to interrupt the discussion but you may be interested in a site that has published the cause of psychotic episodes associated with Kundalini Yoga and Qi Gong.
VisionAndPsychosis.Net is a psychology project on the Internet about a conflict of human physiology. It may help you understand the experience of the awakening of Kundalini.
http://www.VisionAndPsychosis.Net
VisionAndPsychosis.Net is a psychology project on the Internet about a conflict of human physiology. It may help you understand the experience of the awakening of Kundalini.
http://www.VisionAndPsychosis.Net
- L K Tucker
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