[BiGG]

Why is it that I post a story showing how spent oil fields are being revived simply by adding some microbes and that is moved out off the Peak Oil Discussion board and I’m told the reason is the board is only for “hydrocarbon depletion "related" discussions only” Correct me if I am wrong here, but I was thinking reviving formally spent oil fields was hydrocarbon depletion "related"! Do I have this correctly that only doom & gloom threads are allowed there? Why isn’t this topic “related”, because it's extending what we have?

Next, I post news story links showing two brand new 100 million gallon per year ethanol plants being built in the Current Events section and that gets moved even though every frivolous topic others can think of is posted there!

It’s kinda looking to me like only doom & gloom is allowed on the more popular boards and anything positive gets moved to a board very few visit! How interesting….

[Jack]

This thread is not an appropriate posting under current events. I have moved it to open discussion.

[pilferage]

Jack's right on, and those moves were appropriate considering the categorization structure. Forget about it.
Unless you get off on thinking we're out to get you!

[Raxozanne]

I think that an alternative energy story even if it is a current event goes under energy technology.

I'm not sure what goes into current events that couldn't be filed away under another category...maybe I will take a look into current events to see what actually gets posted there

Still i don't think that one forum is more important than another. Most people if they are like me just click on the 'view posts since last visit' and then new messages from all forums pop up.

[MonteQuest]

BiGG,

You don't read, follow, or seem to understand the rules and guidelines here. This thread was subject to deletion for questioning the moderator's decisions. Your entire attitude is unwelcome here. Maybe the feedback here will cause an epiphany for you. Fair warning.

The following post content is subject to deletion:

Messages devoid of content: This includes posts with nonsense characters (ie. flksdhf). This also includes posts with a single word or only containing emoticons. This includes posts on "why was my post deleted", off-topic posts, threadjacking, complaining about links, unedited reposts, repeated mod evasion, and trolling.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')iGG,

You don't read, follow, or seem to understand the rules and guidelines here. This thread was subject to deletion for questioning the moderator's decisions. Your entire attitude is unwelcome here. Maybe the feedback here will cause an epiphany for you. Fair warning.

The following post content is subject to deletion:

Messages devoid of content: This includes posts with nonsense characters (ie. flksdhf). This also includes posts with a single word or only containing emoticons. This includes posts on "why was my post deleted", off-topic posts, threadjacking, complaining about links, unedited reposts, repeated mod evasion, and trolling.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')his thread is not an appropriate posting under current events. I have moved it to open discussion.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we've already proven the mods around here are ANYTHING but "unbaised and fair".......
So, this kat calling out the mods isnt out of line, as theres been....ahhh...."instances" of mod abuse or stepping over the lines in the past.

Not to say his topics in question did or did not to be moved, but lets be honest, no mod on this board can sit and give us this High and Mighty shit about how open and understanding they are.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we've already proven the mods around here are ANYTHING but "unbaised and fair".......
So, this kat calling out the mods isnt out of line, as theres been....ahhh...."instances" of mod abuse or stepping over the lines in the past.

Not to say his topics in question did or did not to be moved, but lets be honest, no mod on this board can sit and give us this High and Mighty shit about how open and understanding they are.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')iGG,

You don't read, follow, or seem to understand the rules and guidelines here............. and trolling.

[MonteQuest]

BiGG,

You continue to assert I said things I did not, did not do research I did and provided to you. Evryone who has read the threads knows this, yet you continue the mantra like a child.

You make supurious claims and fail to back up it with hard science and data. You have no credibility here.

You are an annoyance. "Don't feed the trolls" is policy for this kind of crap you post. Get used to it.

What is a Troll?
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

What Can be Done about Trolls?
When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')iGG,

You continue to assert I said things I did not, did not do research I did and provided to you. Evryone who has read the threads knows this, yet you continue the mantra like a child.

You make supurious claims and fail to back up it with hard science and data. You have no credibility here.

You are an annoyance. "Don't feed the trolls" is policy for this kind of crap you post. Get used to it.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
What is a Troll?
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

What Can be Done about Trolls?
When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

[stu]

Bigg.

I may not be an expert on the issues that you and Monte have got into heated debates about, but if you were right on the majority of things that you were discussing such as the EROEI for example then I think you would have equally intelligent people on this forum backing you up. Seeing as you don't I'm gonna stick with the words of the wise and take Montes side.

Ain't nothing personal.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'B')igg.

I may not be an expert on the issues that you and Monte have got into heated debates about, but if you were right on the majority of things that you were discussing such as the EROEI for example then I think you would have equally intelligent people on this forum backing you up. Seeing as you don't I'm gonna stick with the words of the wise and take Montes side.

Ain't nothing personal.

[stu]

Ok Bigg.

I can gather from those links that you are a big fan of bio-fuels.

In which case I put to you the following questions?

What are the EROEI of these biofuels?

What parts of modern society can they replace?

How long would it take to implement the changes needed to switch to a part bio-fuel economy?

Does the investment and collective will exist in order to make biofuels a viable alternative?

Is the technology for biofuels at an advanced stage where it can be seriously considered as a viable alternative?

[The_Virginian]

Bigg,

Ok so let's work on assumtion that Benzine/Gasoline costs 5 FRN a gallon.

Now there is just one problem with Petroleum VS. Bio-fuels.

FEDRAL RESEVE NOTES are created out of thin air and can be manipulated.

BIO-FUELS take REAL Human LABOR and RECOURCES....above and beyond the "COST" of Petroleum.

Understand this point well, and you will understand why most here do not put faith in Bio-Fuels.

IF we Factor in the Oil Wars for petroleum into the (human) cost...and it looks mighty bad.

But how bad do you think it would be when Farmland becomes a coveted source of wealth and infrastructure? (Humans will fight for recources of any kind, it is in our nature when we are unleashed from restraints.)

I am a bio-fuels fan BTW, I advocate their use as a stop-gap, but that is all they are IMHO. Otherwise, they are a false messiah in my book. Nothing even in combonation, that we have TODAY, really replaces the "gift" of Petrol recources.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'O')k Bigg.

I can gather from those links that you are a big fan of bio-fuels.

In which case I put to you the following questions?

What are the EROEI of these biofuels?

What parts of modern society can they replace?

How long would it take to implement the changes needed to switch to a part bio-fuel economy?

Does the investment and collective will exist in order to make biofuels a viable alternative?

Is the technology for biofuels at an advanced stage where it can be seriously considered as a viable alternative?

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'B')igg,

Ok so let's work on assumtion that Benzine/Gasoline costs 5 FRN a gallon.

Now there is just one problem with Petroleum VS. Bio-fuels.

FEDRAL RESEVE NOTES are created out of thin air and can be manipulated.

BIO-FUELS take REAL Human LABOR and RECOURCES....above and beyond the "COST" of Petroleum.

Understand this point well, and you will understand why most here do not put faith in Bio-Fuels.

IF we Factor in the Oil Wars for petroleum into the (human) cost...and it looks mighty bad.

But how bad do you think it would be when Farmland becomes a coveted source of wealth and infrastructure? (Humans will fight for recources of any kind, it is in our nature when we are unleashed from restraints.)

I am a bio-fuels fan BTW, I advocate their use as a stop-gap, but that is all they are IMHO. Otherwise, they are a false messiah in my book. Nothing even in combonation, that we have TODAY, really replaces the "gift" of Petrol recources.