[timmac]

For the most part its not the illegal that comes over and works and does their part, the border problem mostly has to do with the drug cartel and other crimes that is spewing over the borders, illegals have been coming over for years, its now that it has climb into the millions and crime has soared with it.

And speaking for that cement contractor there was and still is a shortage of good old American citizens that want this kind of work,[mostly here in the southwest] you got to see some of the crap blood shot eyes/crack heads of White/Black Americans that try to do my janitorial work for me, its the Mexicans that come thru on my business and shine..

And just because they can't speak good English doesn't mean they don't have a green card..

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')And just because they can't speak good English doesn't mean they don't have a green card..

[PrestonSturges]

You're just noticing the cognitive dissonance that surround the GOP on every issue - they set fire to your house and then complain that the air conditioner is to small to keep it comfortable. Immigration is just one of many issues where the GOP wants things as screwed up as possible so the local politicians on the border can badmouth DC and run political ads featuring them glaring into the desert. Oh, and businesses of all sizes want labor that they can pay less than minimum wage while ignoring safety rules. The GOP has absolutely no intention of doing immigration reform. It's all about grandstanding.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'Y')ou're just noticing the cognitive dissonance that surround the GOP on every issue - they set fire to your house and then complain that the air conditioner is to small to keep it comfortable. Immigration is just one of many issues where the GOP wants things as screwed up as possible so the local politicians on the border can badmouth DC and run political ads featuring them glaring into the desert. Oh, and businesses of all sizes want labor that they can pay less than minimum wage while ignoring safety rules. The GOP has absolutely no intention of doing immigration reform. It's all about grandstanding.

[Fishman]

Poor preston, over 60 % of the people of Arizona support the bill. Using one cement worker as your N of 1 doesn't make much of an arguement. Other states are lining up to pass similar bills. Blame it all on the Tea Party, boo hoo. After November there won't be enough Democrats left in Washington to make up a good football team.

[the48thronin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')oor preston, over 60 % of the people of Arizona support the bill. Using one cement worker as your N of 1 doesn't make much of an arguement. Other states are lining up to pass similar bills. Blame it all on the Tea Party, boo hoo. After November there won't be enough Democrats left in Washington to make up a good football team.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', ' ')illegals have been coming over for years, its now that it has climb into the millions and crime has soared with it.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '[')url=http://www.aolnews.com/story/crime-rates-down-for-third-year-despite/1077717]Crime rates down for third year, despite recession[/url]

[the48thronin]

The rising crime is documented NOTE one catagory only.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')Reuters) - The criminal underworld in the sun-baked Arizona capital of Phoenix has long enjoyed the hot money profits from illicit smuggling of drugs and people over the border from Mexico.

But now its members are living in fear as they are stalked by kidnappers after their proceeds, authorities say.

Police in the desert city say specialized kidnap rings are snatching suspected criminals and their families from their homes, running them off the roads and even grabbing them at shopping malls in a spiraling spate of abductions.

"Phoenix is ground zero for illegal narcotics smuggling and illegal human smuggling in the United States," said Phil Roberts, a Phoenix Police Department detective.

"There's a lot of illegal cash out there in the valley, and a lot of people want to get their hands on it."

Last year alone, Phoenix police reported 357 extortion-related abductions -- up by nearly half from 2005 -- targeting individuals with ties to Mexican smuggling rings.

In addition, federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement police have also recorded cases of kidnappers snatching illegal immigrant day laborers off the street for ransom.

[Ayoob]

I don't care whether the crime rate is rising or falling. We should simply not tolerate the presence of illegal aliens at all. They need to go back home. We have something like 20% unemployment, we don't need the labor.

There is no good reason why Americans should be supporting the health care needs and education of people we didn't explicitly invite to the party.

Time to go back home.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874]In Politics, Sometimes The Facts Don't Matter[/url]

New research suggests that misinformed people rarely change their minds when presented with the facts -- and often become even more attached to their beliefs. The finding raises questions about a key principle of a strong democracy: that a well-informed electorate is best.

[Pretorian]

There is no such thing as a strong democracy; let the best liar win is all what its about. Well now since the women got their votes its let the best looking liar win. Men choose whomever is promising them more, women choose whomever is more acceptable to be in bed with , thats all