[timmac]

Mainstream media even recognizes that we are turning our sovereignty over to the UN and thanks to those Global Warming folks that are helping the cause...

Its time to get out the ropes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

[PrestonSturges]

OMG You'r right!

Just kidding, I never follow those stupid links you post.

[ian807]

Remember, if everyone is in on the conspiracy but you, it just means that you're clueless.

[quadzillajim]

Yes grab a half a sentence here, and another quarter sentence there, add some ominous music then commentary from people you never heard of. Suddenly it all adds up.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('quadzillajim', 'Y')es grab a half a sentence here, and another quarter sentence there, add some ominous music then commentary from people you never heard of. Suddenly it all adds up.

[Pops]

If you gotta post this kind of thing post it in Open, please.

[2cher]

If you link to anything infowars related, your credibility is shot from word go

[PrestonSturges]

All this conspiracy stuff is a shiny object to distract tragically stupid people and keep them separated from real politics or real current events. With the Tea Party, they got full corporate sponsorship, and the BP oil spill has shown that they are fully corporate controlled.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ll this conspiracy stuff is a shiny object to distract tragically stupid people and keep them separated from real politics or real current events. With the Tea Party, they got full corporate sponsorship, and the BP oil spill has shown that they are fully corporate controlled.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ll this conspiracy stuff is a shiny object to distract tragically stupid people and keep them separated from real politics or real current events. With the Tea Party, they got full corporate sponsorship, and the BP oil spill has shown that they are fully corporate controlled.

[americandream]

In the past, it was the devil. Some folks smartened up, realised it was greedy nobility, got on a ship and left Europe for a new start.

These days, it is dark unseen conspiracies. Only problem, none of us seem to be able to get past the hype, for appropriate action.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ll this conspiracy stuff is a shiny object to distract tragically stupid people and keep them separated from real politics or real current events. With the Tea Party, they got full corporate sponsorship, and the BP oil spill has shown that they are fully corporate controlled.

[efarmer]

Well the nobility needed a devil other than themselves because when wealth and power gets concentrated the resources for people become allocated by forces beyond their individual and often collective initiatives to overcome and the resultant suffering drives them to action. In the case where the pressure makes revolutions, it creates new systems, and as we saw with Communism, the human tendency to enjoy concentrated wealth, power, and resource allocation made it's own new nobility in the form of leaders for life and unitary poles of power. The other popular escape hatch for people was migration to areas of limited settlement and abundant natural resources. As in America, Australia, New Zealand, and so on. In an age of resource limits being approached the tried and true migration in search of rich and sparsely populated frontiers is not viable.

It seems a possible solution is to attempt to reconcile resource limited sustainable living arrangements with personal expectations on a scale large and redundant manner in harmony to resource limits. I don't believe capitalism or communism or socialism can ever be done "right" to where the concentrations of power, resource allocation, and wealth they generate do not pervert the management thereof and reestablish yet another implementation of faux nobility via plain old human nature.

The conspiracy theories and grand ideas of what centralized power can do or could do are all about what it should do or has done to motivate people to seek to improve their lot in life. Voluntary peasant life is a hard sell to people who have enjoyed centralized resource exploit benefits in a resource allocated rather than naturally limited scenario. The big army and leverage gets the goodies over competitors while they are there to be had in quantities to match the required effort.

If the thrust of societal discontent remains attached to engines of centralized wealth and power and is all about competing ideologies for operating the centralized machinery, I think we are arguing about engines that are running out of the fuel they require to operate, even with resource wars, colonies, and jim dandy conspiracies. Communist China with centralized control of capitalism seems to be the last big model that will function out of the tired set of ideologies on the present table.

I suspect it runs until it hits the wall of resource limits as it is the most agile capitalism on the planet due to unitary central leadership. The state controlled capitalism is proving more nimble than our corporate controlled capitalism and they have done a stimulus and kicked the can while we cannot due to having competing feet for central control in the American model at present.

We are at the point of asking centralized governments to provide what we are used to and need when they are bankrupt and out of colonization prospects. Something has to give way.