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Political compass: Self labeling

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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby 0mar » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 18:34:55

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby rogerhb » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 19:02:33

Cool, however it's going to get crowded down here.

Economic L/R -6.63
Social L/A -2.67
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby PrairieMule » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 19:11:28

Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03

Being a Pro-gun Baptist I figured I'd be way more on the right. Most of the morality issues I did not agree with personally, but I think outlawing them would not be good. I do have mistrust for corporations but always figured I was a true believer in capitalism. I'm most like Gerhard Schroder! Yikes!

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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Jake_old » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 19:26:05

Hey, I'm

Economic Left/Right: -6.50

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

I'm more Gandhi than Gandhi :-D
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 19:38:57

We've discussed this test before but I don't mind going over it again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')1: If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.
Loaded question which I would not answer. Trans-national corporations are how a lot of business gets done; for who? who benefits? lots of different people enjoy the fruits of their work. some don't, but that's life. But to fault them is like a carpenter faulting his hammer. They are modern humanity's organizational tools to expedite commerce.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')2: Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.
What has racism to do with this? All 4 Poles of this supposed political alignment fantasy diagram have displayed racism somewhere, sometime in the past. What matters is now, and none of the main political choices or ideologies endorse racism any more. I don't believe you can equate contemporary racism with any of these traditional political interpretations. Question irrelevant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')3: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
What's up with this one? I think reality is not like some four point diagram, sorry; it's crap. this test doesn't tell you a thing about yourself, so forget about it.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby TheTurtle » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 20:18:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')hat's up with this one? I think reality is not like some four point diagram, sorry; it's crap. this test doesn't tell you a thing about yourself, so forget about it.


But your feelings about it tell us a lot about YOU. :lol:


My results:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

TheTurtle is also more Gandhi than Gandhi. :P
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 20:20:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e've discussed this test before but I don't mind going over it again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')1: If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.
Loaded question which I would not answer. Trans-national corporations are how a lot of business gets done; for who? who benefits? lots of different people enjoy the fruits of their work. some don't, but that's life. But to fault them is like a carpenter faulting his hammer. They are modern humanity's organizational tools to expedite commerce.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')2: Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.
What has racism to do with this? All 4 Poles of this supposed political alignment fantasy diagram have displayed racism somewhere, sometime in the past. What matters is now, and none of the main political choices or ideologies endorse racism any more. I don't believe you can equate contemporary racism with any of these traditional political interpretations. Question irrelevant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Test', 'Q')3: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
What's up with this one? I think reality is not like some four point diagram, sorry; it's crap. this test doesn't tell you a thing about yourself, so forget about it.


Here's the reasoning behind those 3 questions.

Q1, it is not a loaded question. If globalization is inevitable, we should protect the people? Or property rights? The trans-national corporations own the factories, but should they? It is clearly a very divisive question. If you don't think that globalizaion is inevitable, you would side with The People and you should strongly agree with the question.

Q2. Racism and extreme conservatism often go hand in hand. Hitler and virtually all other Fascists have supported the One True Way mythology including the Master Race "ideology". The more liberal minded would oppose racism in all its forms. Authoritarians tend to claim the superiority of "their kind."

Q3 Which is more important, pragmatic strategy or holding the moral high ground? Liberals opposed helping Saddam in the 80's. Conservatives thought that helping him would hurt our enemy Iran. It's another very important and divisive question.

I'm surprised you picked those 3 instead of the most ambiguous questions like the ones on abstract art and astrology.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby dissimulo » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 20:39:18

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

Interesting test, but I'm not sure it is particularly accurate, since it seems to line me up with "Liberal Democrats", a group I generally don't seem to have much in common with.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby elroy » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 20:54:33

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26
Just south east of Ghandi.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby holmes » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 20:58:17

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Starvid » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 21:10:41

It seems you are all a bunch of commies! :P

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And my favorite graph:

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Wagner and Elgar are favorites of mine, not really my political views though. I am more of a Beethoven or Dvorák.



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The guy closest to my position, Ralph Nader, is a personal hate object of mine as he is a mortal enemy to the US nuclear industry.

Silly test. :P
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 21:12:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Q1, it is not a loaded question. If globalization is inevitable, we should protect the people? Or property rights? The trans-national corporations own the factories, but should they? It is clearly a very divisive question. If you don't think that globalizaion is inevitable, you would side with The People and you should strongly agree with the question.
"The People" is an outdated abstraction, perhaps, or an echo of the 18th Century. Now there are various groups with various interests. A Power System to keep everything in check, presumably, theoretically, answering to the electorate. My point is that "The People" is a 19th Century fantasy, a slogan which doesn't exist in any real sense any more. Anyway, if you want to nationalize all the corporate power, you will have to conquer it. Viva La Revolucion! Viva!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')2. Racism and extreme conservatism often go hand in hand. Hitler and virtually all other Fascists have supported the One True Way mythology including the Master Race "ideology". The more liberal minded would oppose racism in all its forms. Authoritarians tend to claim the superiority of "their kind."
Sure, and Stalin was cranking up a new Soviet style pogrom, and I'll bet you some of those good old boys in the KKK were very Libratarin. I forget, what was the fourth pole here? Probably a lot of the contemporary racists would themselves test Libertarian in attitude and answers to this irrelevant test. I stand by my claim that this is not an accurate view of the mindsets of many, if any real people: it's just a schema, a model, it shouldn't be taken too seriously.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m surprised you picked those 3 instead of the most ambiguous questions like the ones on abstract art and astrology.
Maybe I should go read those too or maybe I already did the last time this issue came up. Anyway, those were up front, which explains why I picked them.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby MD » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 21:22:05

Last time this test went through the site (last summer?) I was close to dead center. Today I am actually slightly to the left and slightly libertarian. Tommorow pragmatism will take back over and I will swing the other side again.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 21:25:20

I'm south of Bush but east of Kerry...

The test clearly has some flaws.

My personal views may fit in there. But my actual stance on the issues is different.

I'm personally opposed to on demand up to the last minute abortions. And as a result, I will never have one :) or more usefully I won't encourage my friends/family to have one. But that doesn't mean I'm a radical pro-lifer. I believe that abortion is a necessary evil sometimes.

I still think it's evil. But calling it a necessary evil means I don't support all anti-abortion legislation. (like the ones the whackjobs have passed in South Dakota)

I believe that estate taxes are wrong and immoral. But I'm pragmatic and realize that no estate tax means high social inequity. And high social inequity means less social peace. So even though it makes me cringe to steal from widows and orphans...the alternative is much worse.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 21:37:27

PMS...

The KKK may have a Libertarian (rightwing) view of economics, but a very Authoritarian view of the social sphere.

Stalin believed in a state-controlled economy and a state-controlled social sphere. Very little freedom. He was a far leftwing Authoritarian.

Did you bother to read the explanation on the website?
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby Carlhole » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 22:27:04

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

I've always tested close to center but always in the third quadrant on these things.

I'm most attracted to the Libertarian creed but remain distrustful of (or perhaps confused about) certain postions the Libertarians take, namely as regards to totally free and unfettered immigration and totally free and unfettered trade.

I like the American Republic and don't want to see its borders so porous and do not want to see its manufacturing and industrial sector hollowed out. I don't want America to be an Empire and I don't want it to have an over-weening and resource-sucking military industrial complex.

I like people but think they breed like rats and there's too many stupid people in the world. I can't fathom why someone of any particular political persuasion would not recognize Ecology as a legitimate and worthwhile science from which to draw and apply knowledge.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby lotrfan55345 » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 01:23:46

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby katkinkate » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 06:03:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '.')...I have a feeling I should be a lot more to the right and a lot more authoritarian. Maybe all the anti-religion and pro-sex opinions made me look libertarian. I can't understand why I was put so far, relatively speaking, to the left though.


Maybe you've got more in common with the 'left' than you thought.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby peaker_2005 » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 07:07:04

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

As compared to about 3 or 4 months ago:

Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59

So I've become more communist-like and more authoritarian. Having said that, I'm very much on the line socially.
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Re: Your Political Compass?

Postby grabby » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 07:37:52

ionteresting


I am -2 right/left

and a zero on the Auth/libertarian

the text is goofed up, It is designed to make you more liberal than expected, placing weight on personal freedoms as being liberal, it is a construction flaw.

Remember, property rights and ownership gives you the most freedom of anything at all, it defines socity, and I answered all of them this way, and they call it a liberal trend, this is the maloclussion occuring in this test...

Right wing is 100% property rights. It is the basis of society in an advanced stage, and communism removes all that for the good of the whole.

Without absolute property rights, we WILL degenerate into a sort of tribal heirarchy running about the country at night scalping anyone not belonging to our tribe, and taking what we wish when we wish, if we have enough people in our tribe to do it.

Here is a basic left /right question.

Would you kill one innocent person if in doing that you save the whole society from destruction?

you have to answer yes or no.
Yes, is left wing
No is right wing.

how many have the guts to do what is right?

(Don't feel bad, most people would kill society as a whole just so they can drive an SUV. That means personal pleasure rules over the good of the whole.)
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