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Unread postby da23 » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 10:47:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our gifts of over $250 are eligible for a US IRS tax deduction.


http://pizzaidf.org/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')ur tefilot are with you every day, and I pray that hashem should watch over all of you. hasehem should guide you to totally destroy the children of yishmael & esav, and we should see the coming of mashiach now with the rebuilding of the bait hamikdash. our love and prayers are with all of you.


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Re: pizza

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 11:30:17

Do I get to wipe snot on it before it's delivered to them?
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Miki » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 12:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our gifts of over $250 are eligible for a US IRS tax deduction.


http://pizzaidf.org/


All those messages to the soldiers about braveness, etc are appalling. How brave does one need to be to bombard infrastructure and civilians from the confort of a plane? Brave are the Lebanese who are being cowardly attacked and who are witnessing their children being slaughtered and their country being destroyed in front of their eyes, and still have the courage to survive, recover, heal, have hope, and reconstruct.

Those people should be sending the pizza to all the Lebanese families (1 million now) who have lost their homes and are living of food donations, crammed in public schools. Those people do need the pizza. The Israeli soldiers don't.
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Unread postby Magus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 12:48:44

What is truly pathetic is the part of that site which contains pictures drawn by children for "the brave soldiers."

Kiddy Propaganda

Indoctrination at it's very best. [smilie=XXpuke.gif]
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Re: pizza

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 14:05:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'W')hat is truly pathetic is the part of that site which contains pictures drawn by children for "the brave soldiers."


Not pathetic, just honest. Both cultures are starting to realize that this is a fight to the death, and there can be only one winner. The other will perish from the Earth. Thus you get all kinds of emotionalistic crud like siting bravery, or the sacrifice of suicide bombers, or whatever. Its all bunk. There is only killing, and the avoidance of being killed; civilizations that would prefer that there soldiers do not do the killing, will be killed themselves.
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Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 14:39:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..there can be only one winner. The other will perish from the Earth...

There will never be a winner. Neither will perish because their numbers will always be replenished. Even the massive die-offs we anticipate will not stop it. There will always be enough on either side to continue the fighting and hating.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 15:07:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '.')..there can be only one winner. The other will perish from the Earth...
There will never be a winner. Neither will perish because their numbers will always be replenished. Even the massive die-offs we anticipate will not stop it. There will always be enough on either side to continue the fighting and hating.

I take it that you are still in denial about how good at killing humans can be, when given the proper motivation.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Magus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 15:39:32

Please. :roll:

I know this is a phenomenon that is dear to this particular forum, and some of you have masochistic fasination with it.

Continueing spewing your toxic, life-hating crap if you must.

But could we tone down the Homo Sapiens bashing, just a little?

YES, there are indeed a worrying number of jackasses in this world. YES, we have indeed made many mistakes thoughout our history, as any being with a free will would be inclined to do.

However, some of you seem to look at "die-off" as something grand, to be desired. I can literally visualize certain members of this forum wanking off, and getting closer to thier climax as more people suffer, more lives are lost. That is pathetic.

It does not go one way. Their are decent human beings in both Isreal AND Palestine. Not everyone there seeks the complete, udder destruction of the opposing side. There are those who seek peace. If you think otherwise, then you are as naive as those who you claim superiority over, those who still have genuine hope in humanity.

There were a great number of protesters in Israel, even as the war began. And as word begins to leak into their country, even the revolve of those who were originally supportive is beginning to crack.

For now, Hezbollah enjoys the relative support of many, since Israel has killed so many more civilians then they. Rest assured, however, that if they abuse this by begining to kill civilans in greater numbers, then they will suffer the same fate as the Israelis.

Why they are even targeting civilians now, escapes me. It seems to me it would be much wiser to singulary concentrate on targeting the IDF. Then there would be no argument about their legitimacy, period. Miki, what is your insight? Why does Hezbollah feel that it is neccessary to target Israeli towns? This earns them nothing but (justified) hatred from the Israelis, and blackens their reputation with the rest of the world. What is their justification? But, I digress...

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Re: pizza

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 16:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'B')ut could we tone down the Homo Sapiens bashing, just a little?


Its not bashing to impartially describe the natural state of man.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy does Hezbollah feel that it is neccessary to target Israeli towns? This earns them nothing but (justified) hatred from the Israelis, and blackens their reputation with the rest of the world. What is their justification? But, I digress...


Towns and cities are the only thing big enough that they are able to target with the equipment at their disposal. There's no way they could aim one of those sucky missles at an IDF position.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Miki » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 18:00:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy they are even targeting civilians now, escapes me. It seems to me it would be much wiser to singulary concentrate on targeting the IDF. Then there would be no argument about their legitimacy, period. Miki, what is your insight? Why does Hezbollah feel that it is neccessary to target Israeli towns? This earns them nothing but (justified) hatred from the Israelis, and blackens their reputation with the rest of the world. What is their justification? But, I digress...



As I said, they just don't have more precise weapons. Hisbalah is like a little boy trying to fight an older bully. They will certainly fight back, but they won't do much other than "resist", and not even that, as they can't really defend Lebanon.

Hisballah *does not* advocate targetting civilians. They condemned Al Qaeda for the 9/11 attacks. They *never* systematically targeted civilians the way Israel is doing in Lebanon now. This is the first time they do it, and they're doing it only because Israel is killing Lebanese civilians.

Given the indicriminate bombarding that Israel is using in Lebanon, Hisbalah had no option but to use the weapons they have, and those weapons *are not precision weapons*. They only serve to attack Israeli cities to put pressure on Israel to stop destroying Lebanon. Mind you though, that over 600 000 Israelis in those cities (eg, Haifa) have been evacuated or are living in shelters. That, along with the fact that Hisbalah *is not* targeting civilians explains why the number of civilian casualties in Israel has been "minimal" (less than 50 so far).
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Magus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:17:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts not bashing to impartially describe the natural state of man.


I hardly find your pessimistic anayalsis "impartial," but of cource, that would be my opinion.

About the rockets, since you both seem to be in agreement about the inaccuracy of Hezbollah's rockects (you two do not normally agree) and based on my analysis, I will conclude that is true. And if the cities have been evacuated, as Miki says, and this is truly the best Hezbollah can muster, than I find little fault with them. Thank you for the information. It is now evident that is only one party to blame for this situation...
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Unread postby Miki » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:21:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout the rockets, since you both seem to be in agreement about the inaccuracy of Hezbollah's rockects (you two do not normally agree)


I think lately we've been agreeing quite a bit. I admire his honesty--quite a bit, in fact.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby rwwff » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 21:08:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout the rockets, since you both seem to be in agreement about the inaccuracy of Hezbollah's rockects (you two do not normally agree)
I think lately we've been agreeing quite a bit. .


That is true enough, we largely don't disagree about the facts on the ground; though I personally am completely uninterested in who is to blame. The reality simply is what it is. Israel can not survive if it were to accept the terms of peace that Hamas and Hezbollah would insist upon. Palestine can not survive as s seperate nation as long as Israel insists on the terms that it needs in order to survive. I just don't know why people seem shocked by the outcome these conditions have created.

In the end, the US needs a reliable, solidly supportive nation in the region with nuclear weapons. Israel is all of those things. Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt will never be those things. So the choice is bloody but obvious, and no amount of outrage will ever possibly overcome that need.

So the shelling will stop only when Israel is content with the result. I fear that this result will take the lid off a shaft to the abyss that we've all been pretending doesn't exist for the past sixty years. God did not prevent us from living through centuries of the dark ages; I see no reason to suspect that he would prevent our return to such a way of life, if such is our choice. I see nothing to be gained by fantasizing that we'll choose otherwise.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 05:02:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he reality simply is what it is. Israel can not survive if it were to accept the terms of peace that Hamas and Hezbollah would insist upon. Palestine can not survive as s seperate nation as long as Israel insists on the terms that it needs in order to survive. I just don't know why people seem shocked by the outcome these conditions have created.


I agree with everything you've said, but the paragraph above sounds a bit ambiguos. Can you clarify in more detail please?
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 05:26:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd if the cities have been evacuated, as Miki says, and this is truly the best Hezbollah can muster, than I find little fault with them. Thank you for the information. It is now evident that is only one party to blame for this situation...


Those who have not been evacuated are living in bomb shelters. Of course, that's not a decent lifestyle for any human being, but it *definitely* protects them from *any* rocket attacks. This explains why there have been less than 20 casualities among Israeli civilians in *2 weeks* of Hsballah rocket attacks.

Lebanese civilians, on the other hand, have *no possible escape* and *no protection* because they're being cowardly bombarded by planes. No shelter could resist those bombs!

Now, who are the terrorists again?

Here's an article about the Israeli refugees:

[web]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel[/web]
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Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 05:33:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'N')ow, who are the terrorists again?

Like I said. You should stop giving Hezbollah a roost in your country. If Hezbollah goes away so does Israel.

Time to act man. Quit wasting all your time in front of a computer screen.

Most people on this forum aren't that smart anyway, so they wouldn't understand the complexity of the messages you're trying to convey.
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Re: pizza

Unread postby Miki » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 09:32:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike I said. You should stop giving Hezbollah a roost in your country. If Hezbollah goes away so does Israel.


I'm afraid your assumption shows a lack of awareness of the complex politics of Lebanon and the Middle East. Suffice to say that it ain't that simple.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ime to act man. Quit wasting all your time in front of a computer screen.



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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people on this forum aren't that smart anyway, so they wouldn't understand the complexity of the messages you're trying to convey.


Hmmmm.....food for thought. Do you have any suggestions of more suitable forums with wider audiences?
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Re: pizza

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 29 Jul 2006, 10:29:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he reality simply is what it is. Israel can not survive if it were to accept the terms of peace that Hamas and Hezbollah would insist upon. Palestine can not survive as a seperate nation as long as Israel insists on the terms that it needs in order to survive. I just don't know why people seem shocked by the outcome these conditions have created.


I agree with everything you've said, but the paragraph above sounds a bit ambiguos. Can you clarify in more detail please?


Most of the time, in life, peoples in conflict can't both have what they want, so eventually, the cost of conflict exceeds the value of the wanted item, and a compromise can be found.

Unfortunately, I think in this case the conflict is rooted in the fact that they both can't have what is absolutely essential to the survival of a state, and so the only choice they have is between fighting for their state, or accepting extinction.

In other words. If Israel gets what it must have for its continued survival, Palestine can not survive as a nation. If Hamas gets what Palestine must have for its continued survival, Israel can not survive as a nation. All this jibber-jabber about a "two state solution" is just diplomatic fantasy. In a wider sense of the region, as long as the Palestinians don't have what they must have for independent survival, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Lebanon, and Egypt are going to feel an obligation to help the Palestinians take that which they must have. And finally, to take matters completely past the point of possible compromise, the US must have for its continued survival, the ally nation of Israel, from or through which it can apply the needed military power to insure that oil is traded in dollars for the forseeable future.

Thus, in the end, only extinction of one or the other of the parties at conflict would be sufficient to end hostilities.
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