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Re: Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 15:23:59

VMarcHart,

You walked to work in Houston!!! Thank goodness you moved north...we don't need communists like that down here.

Actually I wish I could have afforded to move to the downtown area but it's been booming for sometime now. With PO starting to rear its head there may be even a greater push. Lots of old neighborhoods to tear down and throw up $500,000 townhomes with 1400 sq ft (I know that sounds cheap to you Yankees but we're use to really cheap housing.) But I did buy in the eastern industrial burg so it's only a half hour drive at rush hour. And I do live across the highway from the largest refinery (Exxon) in the US.
Free gas every other Tuesday.

But this highlights the negative impact of adjustments. The old worn out downtown properties won't continue to provide cheaper housing for the folks at the low end of the economy. They've been slowing migrating to the outer burgs where public transport is almost nonexistant. We, as a country, have a lot of fat on the high end so shedding a little lifestyle won't hurt too much. But for the folks near the bottom it could become a much worse nightmare.
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Re: Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?

Unread postby VMarcHart » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 15:44:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'Y')ou walked to work in Houston!!! Thank goodness you moved north...we don't need communists like that down here.
:) It was one block, man! But wait. The company's parking lot on that same block, so, even if I wanted to drive, I could only drive half block.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e, as a country, have a lot of fat on the high end so shedding a little lifestyle won't hurt too much. But for the folks near the bottom it could become a much worse nightmare.
TBD. Some say the rich will have more adjustments, some say the poor will suffer more. I don't know. I know I'm not rich, and I do know many people live in much worse conditions. I think the one that will suffer is the one saying "Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?"
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Re: Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 16:52:09

I see ad hoc solutions being implemented when the pain is simply too great: school buses being used as jitneys, markets thrown up in suburbs, ideally with official approval, but we'll likely turn to things like this even if it's officially illegal.

Rail, whether LR or CR, takes time to build/develop, and their obvious advantages might not be of interest to a population desperate just to get from here to there. Some propose massive buildup of electrified freight and commuter rail - "cheap" for the US at ca. $100 billion. Dimitri Orlov points out that easily accessible and reliable MT was one of many advantages the FSU had in its collapse, along with inefficient but extremely sturdy appliances - "refrigerators that kept the room warm" for instance :lol: but would last for generations. Same was true of the Soviet electrical grid.

I'm really hoping for our next POTUS to conduct a massive rail buildup/electrification - can't see a downside from any angle.
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Re: Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')o know so much and not share in a civilized manner is fruitless. Food for thought. Peace and Love.


Well imagine for a moment that you are a school kid entering a room full of PhDs and start giving them lessons about how to solve a difficult physics problem.

You better know what you are talking about unless you are prepared to be laughed at.

Ignorance is a sin. So is narcissistic arrogance, whether veiled in new age speak or not.
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Re: Peak Oil? What Peak Oil?

Unread postby VMarcHart » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 17:38:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'W')ell imagine for a moment you are a school kid entering a room full of PhDs and start giving them lessons about how to solve a difficult physics problem. You better know what you are talking about unless you are prepared to be laughed at.
I see your point. However, (i) few at this site are school kids and less are PhDs, and (ii) any PhD who spent years learning from all imaginable sources wouldn't laugh at a school kid, rather, it would take the opportunity to learn something new. Sorry, there's no excuse to be rough with the new guy.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I')gnorance is a sin.
If it were among my powers to absolve you, I would. Sorry. I can only accept you for what you are.

Peace and love, btu.
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