[chris-h]

What would happen if 50 % of all oil that is consumed in the USA vanishes tomorrow ? (and that is the worst case scenario )

Cars - Solution 2 people in the same car instead of one. Instant doubling of the efficiency of the American car !
Trucks- Solution Get cargo from half the distance or use rail or boat or make the consumers buy less crap.
Homes . Solution Two families in the same home .
Vacations Go half distance .
Food : Solution Two ex fatties eat as much as one fat guy.
Two vegans eat as much as one meat eater. Or make more people work as farmers.
Health care : No problem . Very poor countries can have better health care than the US when doctors put human needs above profit _Points to Cuba.
Unemployment ? Solution . Work closer to home or have the company provide transportation or if your job is important to you use a bicycle or a scooter.
Economy ? Very simply there will be a new deal or a revolution. They are making preparations to stop that revolution .
Empire ? I do not benefit from the empire so frankly i do not give a damn.

All those above (except the keep the empire going ) apply in every developed country that is not an empire.

Peak oil is not the end of the world.It is however the end of the empire.They are desperate to keep the empire going .
EU is not an empire. Japan is not an empire. China is not an empire That is why their politicians are not desperate and do not act like desperate men.
Only the USA is an empire.


What do you think ?

[Armageddon]

People won't react until there is a crises, and once the crises hits, it will be too late. The economy is about to have an epic crash. Personal debt is maxed out, housing refi's have maxed out, declining house prices will cause people to be upside down in their loans, sub prime loans are resetting with higher rates. The list goes on and on. This crash will make the great depression look like a day at disney world.

[Windmills]

When the average American thinks solution, they are most likely looking for a way to continue business as usual with no sacrifices.
In that regard, I think what you've posted aren't solutions, but rather adaptations that will be forced on most people as the situation declines. Those are reasonable things to do now, but the problem will continue to get worse, and the responses will need to get more extreme. For example, you propose two-family households. Eventually, we might see a return to multi-generational households. Generally speaking, we'll have to multiply the reach of each of those adaptations, possible until an ultimate equilibrium is reached. What you've proposed may be just the beginning. The problem of peak oil is declining production, and nothing except a complete cessation of oil pumping is going to stop that decline.

[SILENTTODD]

Limiting yourself and your partner to one baby each is the start of all solutions (get "fixed" after that one).

For the United States, aggressively limit immigration into this country. Immigration from third world countries is the source of the extra progeny that has expanded the U.S. population by 100 million since 1967.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ars - Solution 2 people in the same car instead of one. Instant doubling of the efficiency of the American car !

[TheOtherSide]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chris-h', '
')Peak oil is not the end of the world.It is however the end of the empire.They are desperate to keep the empire going .
EU is not an empire. Japan is not an empire. China is not an empire That is why their politicians are not desperate and do not act like desperate men.
Only the USA is an empire.

[FloridaGirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')What would happen if 50 % of all oil that is consumed in the USA vanishes tomorrow ? (and that is the worst case scenario )

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chris-h', ' ')What do you think ?

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FloridaGirl', '
')As the economy fails, more homes will be foreclosed on. It's already started with the subprimes, but investor loans will be next and ultimately prime loans will fail due to loss of jobs. That means the lenders will be stuck with a lot of homes which they cannot sell for anywhere near what was owed on them. So many lenders and banks will began to fail. The government will be strained trying to support the FDIC accounts and will have to print more money to do so. More money supply means inflation. Those who own US Treasuries will start cashing them in and the government will have to print even more money to pay them (our government has no reserves). Oil exporting countries will stop trading oil in US dollars because of it's instability, thus adding even more dollars to the market!

[Roccland]

PEAK OIL, TOTAL COLLAPSE, AND THE ROAD TO THE OLDUVAI

[Rogozhin]

Commercial fuel costs eat out the the military section of the energy pie.

I've worked commercial harvesting/culitivation/planting, and I know how dependant commerical agriculture is on cheap energy.

When you combine the cost of gas/diesel with the REAL cost of a loaf of store bought bread you'll not be able to swing the line.

Unless you're rich.

Rogo

[FloridaGirl]

ohanian wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I should point out that it would take 10-20 years to occur and would not occur in a timeframe of 1 year.

[Gideon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') think you haven't even begun to think this
through.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'O')ne of my hunches is that Internet organized carpooling will become enormously popular when gas prices skyrocket. Or perhaps it will be enforced by mandate....

[chris-h]

When oil supplies are cut by 50 % people are going to start riots.
The police will try to stop the riots.The police will fail.
The army will try to stop the riots. The army will fail to stop the riots if the army cannot use extreme violence.
The President will declare martial law and then the army will start shooting and killing.
When the shortages become permanent democracy will end.The president will become the new dictator.
If you object to the government policies about peak oil you will be labeled a traitor beaten raped sent to jail or to a concentration camp or you will be executed.
After a few million people are executed all resistance to the new policies will end.It is called a dictatorship.
Additionally when the economy collapses the government will run everything.
The very rich 1% will become the 'inner party" and the rest will become the "steeple party members"
It will not be called communism but it will be communism.

The "final solution" for the peak oil in USA.Dictatorship , hidden communism and oil conservation. Halliburton's Immigrant Detention Centers link

Not just for immigrants. Muslims , liberals , minorities , people that oppose the government will be inmates. You do not like these ?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ars - Solution 2 people in the same car instead of one. Instant doubling of the efficiency of the American car !
Trucks- Solution Get cargo from half the distance or use rail or boat or make the consumers buy less crap.
Homes . Solution Two families in the same home .
Vacations Go half distance .
Food : Solution Two ex fatties eat as much as one fat guy.
Two vegans eat as much as one meat eater. Or make more people work as farmers.
Health care : No problem . Very poor countries can have better health care than the US when doctors put human needs above profit _Points to Cuba.
Unemployment ? Solution . Work closer to home or have the company provide transportation or if your job is important to you use a bicycle or a scooter.

[jedinvest]

cris-h wronte:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our opinion will not matter anymore.Obey or be executed.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'S')ome environmental groups have basically given up on promoting carpooling because they know point blank it's NOT going to happen.

[TheOtherSide]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chris-h', 'A')fter a few million people are executed all resistance to the new policies will end.It is called a dictatorship.
Additionally when the economy collapses the government will run everything. The very rich 1% will become the 'inner party" and the rest will become the "steeple party members"
It will not be called communism but it will be communism. The "final solution" for the peak oil in USA.Dictatorship , hidden communism and oil conservation. Halliburton's Immigrant Detention Centers link
Not just for immigrants. Muslims, liberals, minorities , people that oppose the government will be inmates. You do not like these ?