[syncline]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicken_Little', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I') can imagine it now, the post PO cannibal family sitting around the bond fire, singing kum bah yah and watching carefully that female and colored zombies get their fair share of being eaten at the barbecue...

[azreal60]

LOL. I don't know what it is about this board, but recently it's been cracking me up. Great humor, exsquisitely timed. Even If I can't spell.....

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good morning from Pheba, from the farm:
I am a woman, (hear me roar!), rof,lmao.
Actually, I find this kind of nonsense irritating.
the people who buy into this nonsense are making the assumption that women can not think logically, only instinctively, with feelings.
Actually, I can do both. I can reason my way through most problems.
I do have "feelings" I use for input into issues, but I have figured out that what I put down to intuitive thinking is usually just my brains way of processing information that has filtered into my brain.
Men and women do think different, but that doesn't mean that women only think with emotion, or that men are incapable of thinking with emotion.
What a bunch of silly new age nonsense.
Back in the hippie days I was a full blown hippie.
I didn't care about meditation, or higher thinking or any of that lunacy.
I just wanted to get stoned, listen to some Pink Floyd, and eat pizza.
Good grief,
Pheba

[Doly]

OK, I personally don't think that the peak oil movement and feminism are natural allies. But I don't think they're natural enemies either. It's like being left or right wing: doesn't really have anything to do with being peak oil aware.

So I'm not particularly bothered by that article. I don't particularly buy it, but then, I don't particularly buy much of feminism. But I don't hate feminists, either.

When trying to get in touch with other groups that may have common interests with the local peak oil group, I came across the Women's Environmental Network, and they were very receptive. I think every little bit helps. Like a friend of mine said: "We are in a sinking ship, there's no point in squabbling about favorite colors."

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y favorite part is the rather clunky way that she speaks about a 'need for something besides logic and facts' - as if females and blacks don't/can't think in terms of logic and facts.

[Atlantean_Relic]

Who invented PC? As of now a goal of mine when TSHTF is to strangle that person with butt floss.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phebagirl', 'G')ood morning from Pheba, from the farm:
I am a woman, (hear me roar!), rof,lmao.
Actually, I find this kind of nonsense irritating.
the people who buy into this nonsense are making the assumption that women can not think logically, only instinctively, with feelings.
Actually, I can do both. I can reason my way through most problems.
I do have "feelings" I use for input into issues, but I have figured out that what I put down to intuitive thinking is usually just my brains way of processing information that has filtered into my brain.
Men and women do think different, but that doesn't mean that women only think with emotion, or that men are incapable of thinking with emotion.
What a bunch of silly new age nonsense.
Back in the hippie days I was a full blown hippie.
I didn't care about meditation, or higher thinking or any of that lunacy.
I just wanted to get stoned, listen to some Pink Floyd, and eat pizza.
Good grief,
Pheba

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'B')ecause obviously no great calamity may be taken seriously unless women and "people of color" are speaking about it.

What a fucking tool.

[PrairieMule]

Absolutely ridicoulous. Who cares who pulled the fire alarm, now is the time to get out of the building. The assertion that we could benefit from a variety of voices
is silly. Kunstler may have painted a bleak picture but ladies like Jackie Clay and Claire Wolfe have had the answers for years.

After reading Megan Quinn's interview this week I suspect we will be hearing more about her because she is sharp and writes a hell of a piece. In fact I'd say Ludi is the furthest thing from a white male but has her shit together better anyone else here. That goes for a lot of other ladies that post here regularly as well. Heck, my 107lb yankee stepmother can string and fix fence better than most ranch hands. In fact my 5 year old daughter likes going to the ranch and I suspect she will like living in a more agrarian based society.

When the boat is sinking the last thing everyone needs is PC lecture from a Human Resource manager or multi-cultural commitee red tape. Until then I'll wait for Claire Wolfe to tell me when to shoot the bastards.

[bart]

Kind of getting sidetracked here aren't we? Shepherd's points have not been refuted.

1. Peak oil presentations and debate have largely been the province of white males.

2. Any movement to address peak oil -- if it is to have any chance of success -- must include all sexes, races, classes, etc.

3. Communication is different for different population segments. Any marketeer knows that. DIfferent slants, different emphases, different motivations.

4. If a movement is dominated by one group, it will have blind spots. Many solutions will be missed.

As an activist and a writer, I have to say that Shepherd's hit on something. And yeah, I went through the PC wars of the 70s and 80s and have some leftover reactions to them.

It's time to get over those old reactions. Times have changed and more important things are on the table.

[rushdy]

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[uncarve_db_lock]

Hi all

First post here, been a long time reader and have always appreciated the variety of perspectives on display.
In regards to the current demographics of peakers, yea the more the merrier to help us out but at the same time, it doesn't really NEED to be diverse in all the PC ways that certain folks might want it to. i for one tend to think being "politically correct" is a symptom of the same human centered perspective that got us into this mess we are in now. the world is by its nature, a fairly harsh place, it doesn't treat everyone equal, if you cant step up to the plate, sorry pal. same goes for universal laws, hell , if us monkeys don't have the smarts to make it to wherever the hell evolution is taking us, those laws will put us right next to old t.rex and his friends.
when you really break it down, its really just male and female that need to be well represented (smart ones with good ideas and the gut to act on them) so as to be able to continue breeding. all the idiots, cripples, criminals, nut jobs, and others i may have forgotten i pray that you find peace and are able to lace up your running shoes, that bears getting close...

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'K')ind of getting sidetracked here aren't we? Shepherd's points have not been refuted.

[ubercynicmeister]

Hi Killjoy...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'T')here's something deeply offensive about politcal correctness, especially to those of us who happen to be "members" of some of the more trendy "marginalized" "groups."

[ubercynicmeister]

EDITED FOR SPELLING...GRRR...NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I CHECK IT!!!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'K')ind of getting sidetracked here aren't we? Shepherd's points have not been refuted.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'K')ind of getting sidetracked here aren't we? Shepherd's points have not been refuted.

1. Peak oil presentations and debate have largely been the province of white males.

2. Any movement to address peak oil -- if it is to have any chance of success -- must include all sexes, races, classes, etc.

3. Communication is different for different population segments. Any marketeer knows that. DIfferent slants, different emphases, different motivations.

4. If a movement is dominated by one group, it will have blind spots. Many solutions will be missed.

As an activist and a writer, I have to say that Shepherd's hit on something. And yeah, I went through the PC wars of the 70s and 80s and have some leftover reactions to them.

It's time to get over those old reactions. Times have changed and more important things are on the table.

[Atlantean_Relic]

How well defended are these neighboorhoods. Could you go Genghis Kahn on their asses?

[bart]

Wow, there sure is a lot of pent-up something-or-other in the discussion here.

I was afraid that Shepherd's essay would set off the same destructive dynamic, as happened during the 70s and 80s. It was a cycle of accusation and defensiveness that left many guys confused and angry.

What does it mean to be a man?

One is not going to get help figuring that out from the feminist movement. Raging against feminism also is pointless. In either case, one is defining oneself in terms of women.

The only way out of the dilemma is to disengage, and figure it out for oneself. I was lucky to have encountered older men who personified real masculinity.

What it's not: bullying, strutting, chest-pounding, blaming other people. That's cartoon masculinity.

What it is: power under restraint, courage to be gentle and vulnerable, willing to risk one's oneself for others.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', '
')What does it mean to be a man?

The only way out of the dilemma is to disengage, and figure it out for oneself. I was lucky to have encountered older men who personified real masculinity.

What it's not: bullying, strutting, chest-pounding, blaming other people. That's cartoon masculinity.

What it is: power under restraint, courage to be gentle and vulnerable, willing to risk one's oneself for others.

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'W')ow, there sure is a lot of pent-up something-or-other in the discussion here.