[onlooker]

Very intriguing all your replies. I chose the second option drastic die off and civilization fall. So, I do believe we have been checkmated But of paramount consideration is the negative impact our huge population and ways of living are having on the Earth. The longer this continues in my estimation the more we risk changing the conditions of this planet to one's almost universally inhospitable for human life

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'V')ery intriguing all your replies. I chose the second option drastic die off and civilization fall. So, I do believe we have been checkmated But of paramount consideration is the negative impact our huge population and ways of living are having on the Earth. The longer this continues in my estimation the more we risk changing the conditions of this planet to one's almost universally inhospitable for human life

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')'m arguing that evolution is taking place constantly, that natural selection though thwarted, still bubbles away under the surface, that human nature is still incredibly resilient & may just find ways to muddle through & become better at living on a finite planet- just maybe this is already happening, just lost in the noise on both sides- doom vs capitalist globalist OWG Utopianism.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'V')ery intriguing all your replies. I chose the second option drastic die off and civilization fall. So, I do believe we have been checkmated But of paramount consideration is the negative impact our huge population and ways of living are having on the Earth. The longer this continues in my estimation the more we risk changing the conditions of this planet to one's almost universally inhospitable for human life

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;....human nature is still incredibly resilient & may just find ways to muddle through & become better at living on a finite planet- just maybe this is already happening, just lost in the noise on both sides...

[SeaGypsy]

The obvious examples in relatively recent history are in various aboriginal groups around the world. In Australia some regions are believed to have been in population equilibrium for tens of thousands of years. Much shorter but still considerable spans occured in parts of the South Pacific Polynesian tribes & SE Asian Melanesian peoples. This is my region of expertise, others may have equally significant references.

[roccman]

A likely future. 20% population reduction initially - as a catalyst for the next phase - that is a rationed planet of 92% of those standing (7% military/police will get fed; 1% rulers). Most all infrastructure preserved - most all food production areas preserved - water resources preserved from the initial 20% culling.

The goal is to have billions believe in one idea. A starving population will believe is anything. Hell, a fed population still believes a guy got nailed to a cross.

There is a fractal nature to life that can be - well - divided - and re-constituted. The re-constitution has an effect of diluting the "wise" force in humans yet the "belief" force remains untouched. Even a slave believes is something. I won't get into the details here as they are not essential, suffice to say, a die off is not likely nor is it consistent with the current trajectory.

The highest commodity on the planet is the individual's belief rubric/force. If one group can control the beliefs of billions, this is the mother lode. This leads to the last phase. A post for another time.

[Newfie]

7.5 Billion top level predators ain’t gonna cut it. I’m voting we see a roughly 90% herd reduction.

I think Limits to Growth was pretty spot on.

It’s kinda like playing Russian Roullett with a full loaded six shooter.

1-Climate change
2-Global financial system
3-Depleting fossil fuels
4-Nuclear weapons
5-Soil depletion
6-Ever evolving diseases

[SeaGypsy]

Top level predators capable of living on algae, insects, etc. Not much in common with any other top predator.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')op level predators capable of living on algae, insects, etc. Not much in common with any other top predator.

[Newfie]

Yup, they will eat anything. Including one another.

Capitalisim.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')up, they will eat anything. Including one another.

Capitalisim.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')up, they will eat anything. Including one another.

Capitalisim.

[Newfie]

As always with these threads part of the problem is the definition of the time frame.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('baha', '
')In the next 20 years I expect humanity to be broke, not dead