[PenultimateManStanding]

You are very convinced of your worldview. From time to time you tell us how you aren't sold on black and white simplistic views of the world, but you always come back to them anyway. Israel & America = Bad, Palestinians Good. You point to the bad guys using lethal force and ignore your sympaticos' use of coerced frightened suicide bombers. Young Palestinian girls who had sexual indiscretions used to convince them their life was over anyway in their male-dominated society, so they could redeem themselves by killing Israeli roadside diners with strapped-on bombs. You defend the indefensible. We have been trying to say that the time is at hand to let it go, let peace have a chance, but you persist in thinking that only blood will cure this situation. How else can we interpret this? Israel isn't going anywhere. You know that too. Accommodation and peace is the only answer. You say let the Palestinians return knowing full well they would vote Israel out of existence. You are so full of contradictions, yet you persist in your self-righteous claim to moral virtue. I say nonsense, you have no more claim to moral virtue than anyone else. You are no less brainwashed than any of us. And furthermore, your claims that we are brainwashed are obnoxious and disgusting. Who are you to say what is the truth?

[PenultimateManStanding]

BTW, how many of you knew that Atilla The Hun was a dwarf? Bet you didn't know that.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')ccommodation and peace is the only answer.

[rwwff]

Perpetual annoyance is what I think we have right now...

[Eli]

Wait I thought she was supposed to get a Congressional Medal of Honor?


What set you off Pen just asking?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'W')ait I thought she was supposed to get a Congressional Medal of Honor?


What set you off Pen just asking?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')mug self-righteousness pisses me off.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'W')ait I thought she was supposed to get a Congressional Medal of Honor?

What set you off Pen just asking?

[Eli]

I think she makes a shining example of the duplicitous logic at work in the ME.

She says I am all for peace, Israel should be forced to make peace, but then in the next breath will fly into a rant when someone says that right of return will never happen.

I really can't stand the way she is so dismissive about all the bat shit crazy things Ahmadinejad and Nasrallah say.

[Atlantean_Relic]

Cue Miki rebuttal with example of U.S. and Israeli duplicity in 5,4,3,2,1

[rwwff]

America & Israel != good
America & Israel != bad
America & Israel == perfect allies

Palestine and the Islamic Empire != good
Palestine and the Islamic Empire != bad
Palestine and the Islamic Empire == allies

(America & Israel) && (Palestine and the Islamic Empire) == eternal enemies.

Thats the deck of cards that has been dealt. No amount of whining, money, treaties, or governments will change that.

The question becomes do we wish to be blood enemies that have come to a grudging tolerance of each others existence; or do we eventually decide to engage in a war that will settle the matter forever.

So far, it looks like we're warming up for the latter at the expense of the former.

[Eli]

Here is the difference Atlantic Relic.

I and many others here will freely admit when the US and Israel are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Israel and the US have obviously done some very shitty things over the years.

Miki on the other hand will never admit that Hezebollah and Hamas have never taken actions that were not justified. Her continuing position that suicide bombing innocent people is justified is passive support for it.

It is the same thing as saying murder is wrong but then on the other hand saying that murder is justified. And when people are murdered left and right sit their on your ass saying tsk tsk tsk that is so wrong but I guess it is justified.

She likes to play pretend all the time. She likes to pretend that Nasarallah and Armdinejad are just kidding when they say things like "If [the Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide” or "Israel should be wiped off the map".

If she would just come out and admit that millions upon millions of muslim (and non muslim) Arabs would love to see Israel burned to a crisp it would be a start.

[kabu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '"')Israel should be wiped off the map".

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kabu', '"')this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.""

[Eli]

Thanks for the more accurate translation

That only confirms that really nothing was lost.

"vanish from the page of time" just sounds much more poetic.

[kabu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')hanks for the more accurate translation

That only confirms that really nothing was lost.

"vanish from the page of time" just sounds much more poetic.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou are very convinced of your worldview. From time to time you tell us how you aren't sold on black and white simplistic views of the world, but you always come back to them anyway. Israel & America = Bad, Palestinians Good.