[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd its all fine and good that its alpha decay, and that alpha particles are stopped by paper. Now, what happens when the alpha particles are not on the outside of your biological subject, but is on the inside?

[killJOY]

Source for photos: Ross B. Mirkarimi, The Arms Control Research Centre, from his report: ‘The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf Region with Special Reference to Iraq.’ May 1992

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have recently received large numbers of photographs of horrendous birth deformities that are being experienced in Iraq. I have not, quite frankly, ever seen anything like them.

The majority of the pictures were supplied to me by a source who prefers to remain anonymous at the current time. I was unable to acquire either original negatives, or prints from negatives. They arrived in the form of colour A4 copies. I scanned them into Photoshop and attempted to clean and sharpen them as best I could. There has not, and I repeat not, been any digital alteration other than the cleaning and sharpening process. No text documentation arrived with the pictures, so I have described them as accurately as I can. It is my understanding that the photographs were taken from 1998 onwards. I would be grateful to anyone who could potentially supply me with further information about these types of deformities; medical terms for them, etc.

Additional pictures were taken by Dr. Siegwart Horst-Gunther, President of the International Yellow Cross. Most appeared in his 1996 book "URANIUM PROJECTILES - SEVERELY MAIMED SOLDIERS, DEFORMED BABIES, DYING CHILDREN" (Published by AHRIMAN - Verlag, ISBN: 3-89484-805-7). The book is a documentary record of DU ammunition after-effects, and they were taken between 1993 and 1995. Dr. Gunther also supplied me with additional photographs from his unpublished collection, some of which feature the birth deformities being experienced by Western Gulf war veterans' children. I have asked Dr. Gunther's permission for his pictures to be treated as 'Public Domain' and copyright free. He has agreed and you may reproduce them as you see fit.

[ArimoDave]

Something seems odd about the notion that DU dust travels around the world. Since Uranium has a density of about twice that of lead, it seems to me that the DU dust, then, would settle to the ground quite rapidly, more rapidly than most other dust particles. Like gold dust, it would wash down and eventually settle on some rather impermiable layer.

I'm not sure what the densities of Uranium oxides are however. These may, or may not be substantially less dense and then do present the ability for wide spread dispersion. Even if this is the case, I'm not sure that all these health effects are caused by DU. There may be other substances to blame too. These may be substances that no one either recognizes as a health risk, has not yet identified, or are being held secret -- stuff the military is using that is even worse than DU.

Before you can say for sure DU is to blame, you must examine all other possible causes, and perhaps show in lab experiments that DU does cause these particular kinds of health problems.

ArimoDave.

P.S. The graphic pictures only serve an inflamatory purpose. Unless specific amounts of DU, less any other potential causing substances, are found in the victims, and it can be shown that DU does indeed cause these kinds of defects, there is no useful purpose showing these kinds of photos.

[smallpoxgirl]

More on DU a little closer to home: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/ ... g00066.htm

[OilsNotWell]

Nice find spg.

[rerere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ArimoDave', 'T')hese may be substances that no one either recognizes as a health risk, has not yet identified, or are being held secret -- stuff the military is using that is even worse than DU.

[Falconoffury]

Malthus, you are wrong. Alpha radiation is damaging to cells. You have to realize that cells are fragile, and the thickness of a piece of paper is hundreds to thousands of cells thick. Alpha radiation is strong enough to pass through many cells. Cancer cells develop due to radiation scrambling the DNA within the cell. Birth defects are caused the same way, scrambled DNA from alpha radiation.

[TrueKaiser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ArimoDave', 'S')omething seems odd about the notion that DU dust travels around the world. Since Uranium has a density of about twice that of lead, it seems to me that the DU dust, then, would settle to the ground quite rapidly, more rapidly than most other dust particles. Like gold dust, it would wash down and eventually settle on some rather impermiable layer.

I'm not sure what the densities of Uranium oxides are however. These may, or may not be substantially less dense and then do present the ability for wide spread dispersion. Even if this is the case, I'm not sure that all these health effects are caused by DU. There may be other substances to blame too. These may be substances that no one either recognizes as a health risk, has not yet identified, or are being held secret -- stuff the military is using that is even worse than DU.

Before you can say for sure DU is to blame, you must examine all other possible causes, and perhaps show in lab experiments that DU does cause these particular kinds of health problems.

ArimoDave.

P.S. The graphic pictures only serve an inflamatory purpose. Unless specific amounts of DU, less any other potential causing substances, are found in the victims, and it can be shown that DU does indeed cause these kinds of defects, there is no useful purpose showing these kinds of photos.