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Oil - NatGas 'Arbitrage'

Unread postby kochevnik » Thu 04 May 2006, 22:52:20

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Ayoob brought up an interesting idea of what happens to crude oil prices as natgas becomes more expensive or unavailable. It seems to me that this happenstance could severely affect the already high price of crude as consumers (people and nations) switched from natgas to oil for their energy needs.

e.g. if my natgas bill gets too high, I yank my NG furnace and put in an oil one.

With Gazprom stating that they are almost out of NG, this seems like we will shortly have a lot of new competition from Europe for world oil supplies.

Thoughts ?
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Re: Oil - NatGas 'Arbitrage'

Unread postby MrBill » Fri 05 May 2006, 04:22:10

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In this thread -

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Ayoob brought up an interesting idea of what happens to crude oil prices as natgas becomes more expensive or unavailable. It seems to me that this happenstance could severely affect the already high price of crude as consumers (people and nations) switched from natgas to oil for their energy needs.

e.g. if my natgas bill gets too high, I yank my NG furnace and put in an oil one.

With Gazprom stating that they are almost out of NG, this seems like we will shortly have a lot of new competition from Europe for world oil supplies.

Thoughts ?


Sorry, who has said that Russia/Gasprom are almost out of NG? Greatest Natural Gas Reserves by Country, 2005

Of course, natural gas and heating oil are direct substitutes as are propane and other fuels. You can assume if we run out of one that there will be a switch to the other, but as both are finite sources, it will not solve the underlying problem, just excelerate the decline in the next best alternative. Any marginal increase in demand would therefore cause a marginal increase in price and increase competition for scarce supplies by all users.
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Re: Oil - NatGas 'Arbitrage'

Unread postby SoothSayer » Fri 05 May 2006, 04:48:41

The UK is switching to LNG inported via ships from Qatar to replace European shortfalls.

I don't detect any UK plans to switch to use MORE oil.

In fact, Europe is now so keen on LNG it can outbid the US for natural gas shipments from Trinidad ... which until now always went to the USA.

The long term future for Europe is natural gas, not oil .. to come from a huge field in Russia and also via shipped LNG from several countries.

The only problem is that there may be a shortage for N years whilst that field is opened up ... and also the political risk of being controlled by Russia.
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Re: Oil - NatGas 'Arbitrage'

Unread postby Doly » Fri 05 May 2006, 05:03:13

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')The long term future for Europe is natural gas, not oil .. to come from a huge field in Russia and also via shipped LNG from several countries.


Can't be very long term, because gas is peaking as well...
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Re: Oil - NatGas 'Arbitrage'

Unread postby SoothSayer » Fri 05 May 2006, 05:28:27

>> Can't be very long term, because gas is peaking as well...

Short term - maybe.

Long term ... I don't think so.

Qatar alone in one field has TWICE the energy in gas that Saudia has in Ghawar.

That's why Qatar is building GTL (Gas To Liquid) plant.
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