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Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby Ranglepung » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 06:13:07

The world GDP is 59 590 000 000 000 USD (source: CIA factbook)
The world produces 82 000 000 barrels a day (give or take).

After the math, it seems we use about 3,52% of the worlds total spending power on oil a year, with 70 USD a barrel.
It's probably less, as I'm not certain military funds are included in the GDP figure.

Isn't this a rather small figure when we consider the importance of the product?
How big a percentage is reasonable?
If we surmise that 10% should be spent, we get approximately 200 USD a barrel.
Is that unreasonable?
And is 10% enough to break the world economy?
It really shouldn't be, but I can see it happen, as that 7% difference has to come from somewhere.
And that won't be from the owners pockets.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby TorrKing » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 06:44:24

Interesting thoughts, but I doubt this holds water. World GDP is a made up number and it includes things like services (at least GDP normally does). A lot of things are included that perhaps shouldn't be and some important things may be left out.

Without something to calculate against (we don't know of any competitors to the world as a whole, do we?), money value becomes an irrelevant size. While oil, on the other hand is a size more or less written in stone.

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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 07:11:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ranglepung', 'T')he world GDP is 59 590 000 000 000 USD (source: CIA factbook)
The world produces 82 000 000 barrels a day (give or take).

After the math, it seems we use about 3,52% of the worlds total spending power on oil a year, with 70 USD a barrel.
It's probably less, as I'm not certain military funds are included in the GDP figure.

Isn't this a rather small figure when we consider the importance of the product?
How big a percentage is reasonable?
If we surmise that 10% should be spent, we get approximately 200 USD a barrel.
Is that unreasonable?
And is 10% enough to break the world economy?
It really shouldn't be, but I can see it happen, as that 7% difference has to come from somewhere.
And that won't be from the owners pockets.


Yes it was nice having cheap oil while it lasted wasn't it.

Those trillioins of dollars are only possible because the cost of extracting an energy source was in fact so cheap go figure.

Watch what happens to the paper money as the oil becomes harder and harder to pump.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby Doly » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 07:14:27

I can see the terms you are thinking in. You think: if oil gets more expensive, up to 10%, maybe we won't be able to produce some luxury items (whatever comprises the top 7%), and that's unpleasant, but hardly the end of the world.

But that sort of reasoning is flawed. To put a clearer example: food production is a small percentage of GDP (about 6%, I think). But if food production disappeared, the rest of the GDP would disappear as well.

When oil gets more expensive, some manufacturing stops being profitable and is done less and less. This causes a reduction in real GDP (that is, GDP corrected for inflation). It's hard to calculate how much more expensive oil would need to be to cause a drastic reduction on global GDP. But you can be fairly sure that if oil went up to $200 a barrel, it wouldn't be 10% of the GDP. It would be more than that, maybe 20%. And that looks a lot closer to breaking the economy.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby Russian_Cowboy » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 10:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ranglepung', 'T')he world GDP is 59 590 000 000 000 USD (source: CIA factbook)


This is the world GDP adjusted for the purchasing power parity. The true (nominal) GDP of the worldaccording to the World Bank is USD 41 290 000 000 000.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ranglepung', 'T')he world produces 82 000 000 barrels a day (give or take).

After the math, it seems we use about 3,52% of the worlds total spending power on oil a year, with 70 USD a barrel.
It's probably less, as I'm not certain military funds are included in the GDP figure.

Isn't this a rather small figure when we consider the importance of the product?
How big a percentage is reasonable?
If we surmise that 10% should be spent, we get approximately 200 USD a barrel.
Is that unreasonable?
And is 10% enough to break the world economy?
It really shouldn't be, but I can see it happen, as that 7% difference has to come from somewhere.
And that won't be from the owners pockets.


The problem is that not only the oil price, but the prices of all the other industrial commodities (coal, natural gas, aluminum, copper, uranium etc.) are also rising sharply and the cost of producing them rises as well due to depletion. Together all the industrial commodities account for at least 3 times as much as oil alone and 30% are sure enough to break the world economy.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby Ranglepung » Wed 26 Apr 2006, 06:41:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')But that sort of reasoning is flawed. To put a clearer example: food production is a small percentage of GDP (about 6%, I think). But if food production disappeared, the rest of the GDP would disappear as well.


Yes, but if food were to increase to 13% of GDP, then you have a compirason. Not if it disappears.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 26 Apr 2006, 07:31:29

Interpretation of figures whose authenticity you can't verify is a bitch.

It could mean simply that MORE of our GDP hinges on even less oil.

"Blood only makes up x% of our body mass, you know."

Or should we say, "Our body mass is dependent on a mere x% of blood."

Take away just a little bit of that x and you have hypovolemia.

The high prices recently are nothing. There hasn't been an actual shortfall of oil yet (as in 1979, when there was a 9% shortfall).

The fun has yet to begin. Let's see how that GDP does when x begins its long, unending decline.

Maybe everything will be fine.
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Re: Oil as a percentage of GDP

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 26 Apr 2006, 10:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ranglepung', 'T')he world GDP is 59 590 000 000 000 USD (source: CIA factbook)
The world produces 82 000 000 barrels a day (give or take).

After the math, it seems we use about 3,52% of the worlds total spending power on oil a year, with 70 USD a barrel.
It's probably less, as I'm not certain military funds are included in the GDP figure.

Isn't this a rather small figure when we consider the importance of the product?
How big a percentage is reasonable?
If we surmise that 10% should be spent, we get approximately 200 USD a barrel.
Is that unreasonable?
And is 10% enough to break the world economy?
It really shouldn't be, but I can see it happen, as that 7% difference has to come from somewhere.
And that won't be from the owners pockets.


I think world supply & demand of crude is closer to 85 mbpd, but like let's not split hairs here.

Crude may only be $70/75 at the moment, but crude only accounts for about half the cost of refined products like gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc., so you have to add in refining costs, distribution, etc.

Agriculture may only account for 5-7% of GDP,but jobs associated with the food industry are a much larger portion and account for many more jobs. Think supermarkets, food processing, restaurants, farm machinery, etc. Not too mention all those one horse towns who depend on the farmer for their own livelihood.

The oil industry is also a big employer as is energy overall. A lot of jobs keeping the infrastructure going. Shipping, transport, refining, distribution, retail sales, etc. What will all those RV & SUV salesmen do in the future? No more jet skis to ruin my morning at the beach in any case.

Also as has been pointed out you need energy to run those bits of the economy not directly related to oil & gas like mining, agriculture, transport of finished goods, etc. So like someone else said, like blood flow. Critical.

Based on that it is not the cost of crude or gasoline, but its availability that matters most of all. We have too many legacy costs sunk into energy intensive processes now to simply walk away when crude gets too expensive. We will continue to run this beast until we can no longer feed it through physical shortages, not at some price point where we give up and say, ah its too expensive. Too many applications simply have to be run on fossil fuels or not at all.

Demand destruction will have to come from what else we have to give up to keep driving, getting produce delivered, running critical infrastructure, etc.

Imagine the McMansion with two or three families in it, while dad commutes into the city in the crowded mini-van with 10 others, and mom walks down to the local distribution point to pick-up a week's worth of unprocessed food like, gasp, raw vegetables, floor and sugar. No free delivery of pizza and sushi anymore! ; - )

Like one of those African buses you see with about 150 people piled on because it only goes from one town to the next once per week, but it is better than walking across the desert! Heck, it could be the American South West just as easily? ; - )
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