Novel: "State of Fear"

by **holmes** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 09:28:00

the Crighton novel "State of Fear" is now circulating among the lunatic right and it is now sound science among them debunking global warming as energy officials meet to address global warming this week. So the propaganda machine is in full speed debunking all efforts for sustainability. Soft landing . Fucking LOL. They are putting this book in all the libraries on free loan in some parts of the country. The dumbing down will never end and super power status of the US will be permanently gone within 5 years. Done. Finished. Over. nevert coming back fools.
The work force that we are putting into the world cannot compete. This is due to many things but also to the level of science education and innovation. These kinds of books make people stupid. its what they want to hear. No pressures to adapt and evolve. stay the same feel good and die. These are also the same people who brag all the time about our super power status and take pride in pure exploitative capitalism. and they are the same ones who are digging the grave for their super power. ironic isnt it. among many other factors but this is a biggie.

the bad part is that u and me are going to pay. hopefully not with our lives.

by **Wildwell** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 10:57:56

In the interests of balance I've compiled a number of links:
A right wing view of the book: link and link
Another view of it: link
Green view: link
Middle UK View: link and link
UK centre left view: link
Science view: link

by **AnnaLivia** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 12:52:58

holmes, might I urge you to check out these threads?
thread and thread
you should actually urge the right to keep blathering on and on about how global warming isn't real. People are aware that pollution is worsening and finite resources are declining. The awareness is on the increase, not the decrease. Thus, the more the cheap-labor conservatives lie that it isn't happening, the more ridiculous they make themselves look. We will soon hoist them on their own petard, my good fellow!

by **FoxV** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 16:50:12

well in the end, Mr. Crichton may be proven right in at least it doesn't look like global warming is going to be that big of a deal anyways. (due of course to the much greater crisis of PO)
'Too little' oil for global warming

So I guess that will leave us PO'ers as the villians to appear in his next book (Where he will of course blame us for increasing oil prices by needlessly spreading panic). oh well, the more books he writes, the more people will have to burn when electricity is turned off. So I guess we can thank him for helping out in that sense

by **Ludi** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 17:03:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ell in the end, Mr. Crichton may be proven right in at least it doesn't look like global warming is going to be that big of a deal anyways. (due of course to the much greater crisis of PO)

by **Wildwell** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 17:35:25

by **Liamj** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 18:21:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AnnaLivia', ' ') Thus, the more the cheap-labor conservatives lie that it isn't happening, the more ridiculous they make themselves look. We will soon hoist them on their own petard, my good fellow!

by **eastbay** » Sun 06 Mar 2005, 21:53:25

Tip for today: Having the majority of scientists behind one position or another doesn't necessarily make them right. History has demonstrated this countless times, and will demonstrate it countless more times in the future.
When it's pointed out that relatively few scientists back the 'skeptic' position on global warming (or on any pressing issue, for that matter) my internal 'bs alert' alarm goes off and I generally dismiss the rest of their messages.
Stick to the science. Stick to the empirical data. That's all I'm saying.
EastBay

by **FoxV** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 11:48:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')ot too well-informed, are you? link

by **Ludi** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 12:00:03

You really believe that current and near-future climate change isn't going to have an impact on our reduced ability to grow food and deal with additional crises such as epidemics? You really don't believe the weather, which affects our lives every day, is not going to be significant in the near future? Really? I'm amazed.

by **Ludi** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 12:07:14

You don't think folks in Europe and Scandinavia will miss their climate if the Atlantic Conveyor shuts down, which it could do any ol' time now, as the Arctic is melting now, not "some time in the next 100 years."
"Over the next 100 years, climate change is expected to
accelerate, contributing to major physical, ecological, social, and economic changes, many of which have already begun."
Re: the Atlantic Conveyor -[url=http://calspace.ucsd.edu/virtualmuseum/climatechange1/10_5.shtml]link/url]

Pardon me for jumping up and down and waving my arms, but climate change is not something happening in the future some time, it is happening now, today.

by **holmes** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 12:21:13

Good input, folks. I am lower quandrant left center. they usually have a smiling tough guy politician or a-hole on the front. I think sean hannity had one. Man what science in that one. He basically debunked everything wrong with the environment with a few good one liners.
Looks good must be real. I cant even go into a bookstore anymore becuase having these clowns looking at me from the cover of their new best seller is sickening. and within this bestseller they debunk all the positive strides made in science and the millions of hours spent by pure non partisan scientists in the pursuit of knowledge. All thrown away with a few soundbites and a shrill whinings. "vote freedom first". and other such cries of insanity.
The crap they spew out in these books is pure garbage. They use whatever data that backs up what they want to hear. Crighten has never read eugene or howard odum or Howard Daly the economist. Nothing any of these cash cows do is hard science and data based on needs. Its all wants. People do not want to here reality. Pomp and propaganda. actuallynthey probably couldnt read a science book becuase their attention span is that oif a two year old child. Little brats.

However IQ's are so low nowadays due to such pampering, non selective breeding and pollution effects that these books will help sink this ship. Stupid people read shit. They dont read the 20 year study that just came out on the water cycle of the planet and how all the bioindicators are pointing toward collapse. That is the truth not some industry study that says that the chemicals they produce do nothing. 1 out of everythree species of amphibians will be extinct in our lifetimes. Yeah monstrous amounts of carbon in our atmosphere will ahve no effect. Omy god. You know these clowns are either sheltered, priveleged, stupid, spoiled rotten, never been outside, detached, or all the above. True warriors understand their environment. Our military is well aware of global warming and is planning for its effects.
Crighton is a chump and a traitor. Liar.

by **holmes** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 12:33:51

I meant Herman Daly, the great economist.

by **AnnaLivia** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 13:55:52

hello, FoxV. i certainly don't know if you are a "right-winger" or not, but your comments are fair game...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', 'I')'m not saying there will be no global warming and it will not have an impact on the enviroment.

by **FoxV** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 15:42:53

hmm, I seem to have stepped in something here :oops:

. But trying to keep the topic from getting personal, I will explain myself.

I am fully aware of global warming and its consequences. The last 6 out of 8 Christmas's I've had in canada have been green. Two years ago the grass was getting so long in February we almost brought out the lawnmower. When I was a child snow fall in my area began in October (I remeber most of my halloweens being white) and did not normally melt away completely until April. So I am aware that global warming is both real and present.

What I am saying is that all those Global warming models predicting melting ice caps, rising sea levels and the slowdown/reversal of the Atlantic Conveyor are based on IEA-like assumptions that fossil fuel consumption (CO2 production) will accelerate for a long time to come (if not indefinately). The whole point of this forum is to discuss the belief that this is definately not the case (my link about "too little oil..." above was taken from PeakOil.net)

Global warming is based on continued fossil fuel use. Peak Oil is based on the end of fossil fuel use. These too states of world crisis contradict each other. Fortunately the solution to both problems are the same, reduce fossil fuels and switch to renewables. What is good news for the Global warming crowd is that because of Peak Oil the switch to renewables is going to happen whether we want to or not.

In the end I am not concerned with Global warming because Peak Oil (and the imminant political/economic world crisis it is causing) is a far more immediate problem as well as the ultimate solution to global warming.

by **FoxV** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 16:15:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AnnaLivia', 'c')ould you please explain to me how/why you think nuking Tehran will turn us into those eco-friendly sorts? i don't understand what you mean.

by **AnnaLivia** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 17:32:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', 't')he state of our planet 100 years from now is the least of our worries. Personally, I'm afraid of what will happen tomorrow.

by **Ludi** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:16:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he state of our planet 100 years from now is the least of our worries.

by **Ludi** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:26:54

Oh frikkin never mind.

Why do I bother?

:-x

by **FoxV** » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 23:21:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat about the state of the planet five, ten, or twenty years from now?

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