[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'C')apitalism is steroids to climate change.

[Lore]

Let me add this analogy. Capitalism is the gun, CO2 is the bullet.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'L')et me add this analogy. Capitalism is the gun, CO2 is the bullet.

[Lore]

And autos are the subject of capitilism. A refusal to connect the dots is like saying smoking doesn't cause cancer and that the tobacco industry and their lobbiests supporting the addiction were innocent bystanders.

[step back]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('step back', 'T')he ""Walking Dead" zombie series is an allusion to the "Deservihood" doctrine. Zombies don't deserve to exist. But the King's son (Carl is Regal Rick's son --wears the passed down crown) must never die. He "deserves".

[Lore]

Wow, and here I thought it was just about the zombie kill of the week.

[phaster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Not even climate change will kill off capitalism

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]As long as the conditions for investment and profit remain, the system will adapt. Which is why we need a revolution

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ') .... like saying smoking doesn't cause cancer

[Lore]

That's right, box yourself into a corner once again with your usual non sequitur and then pretend to be obtuse.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')othing in the system's logic will make it go away. A world of environmental desolation and conflict will work for capitalism, as long as the conditions for investment and profit are guaranteed.

[Shaved Monkey]

There is no economic advantage for a factory to produce a product that is so well made and durable that people never need to replace it in a capitalist system, there is a massive advantage to produce this product in a communist/socialist system.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', 't')he root problem of "capitalism" is human nature

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')nd autos are the subject of capitilism. A refusal to connect the dots is like saying smoking doesn't cause cancer and that the tobacco industry and their lobbiests supporting the addiction were innocent bystanders.

[Plantagenet]

People in socialist countries have cars. And, because of the inherent inefficiencies in socialism, these cars are often old or poorly made and produce much more CO2 then cars in wealthier capitalist societies. For instance, people in socialist Cuba go to enormous lengths to keep their ancient cars going, even though these cars produce much more CO2 than modern cars.


1950s-era cars spewing CO2 in socialist Cuba

[AndyA]

I gotta agree with Plant, you can get cancer without smoking and you can cause climate change without capitalism.
Capitalism is the belief that owners of capital can make money without working, they make money by virtue of owning. It comes from the human belief in a 'Just World' where people get what they deserve. Though the 'Deserveism' is older then anything we would call capitalism, it's a function of the 'Just World' fallacy. The King was born to rule and is God's chosen ruler meme is another example.
Capitalism may, or may not survive, but it's human nature that is the driving force behind climate change. The desire to accumulate, and have as much luxury as possible.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'P')eople in socialist countries have cars. And, because of the inherent inefficiencies in socialism, these cars are often old or poorly made and produce much more CO2 then cars in wealthier capitalist societies. For instance, people in socialist Cuba go to enormous lengths to keep their ancient cars going, even though these cars produce much more CO2 than modern cars.


1950s-era cars spewing CO2 in socialist Cuba

[Lore]

Good point, in a modern capitalist consumer society, the average driver has probably owned and driven many more miles on at least ten times the number of vehicles since those pictured. With a carbon footprint many sizes larger. As As I said; modern capitalism puts climate change on steroids.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'G')ood point, in a modern capitalist consumer society, the average driver has probably owned and driven many more miles on at least ten times the number of vehicles since those pictured. With a carbon footprint many sizes larger. As As I said; modern capitalism puts climate change on steroids.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')ar ownership is limited say to taxi drivers..

[americandream]

@Plant

There was no accumulation in any Soviet bloc socialist country (Nixon seduced the Chinese with warm FDI love in the 70's but Mao was a nationalist anyways) so any export, to the extent that it bolstered Warsaw Pact foreign reserves, was encouraged. This was the days of the Cold War and these countries were engaged in a struggle of cultures.

The Marxist notion of cultural struggle is a no holds barred one. As for local ownership of cars, get yourself a few pictures of East Berlin before the wall fell,and have a good search for commuter traffic jams. In fact these countries have some of the best public transportation systems.

As I said you are a numbskull who cannot even understand the logic of the system you defend. let alone work out why crapping the environment with ever growing numbers of commodified toxins is dumb.