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Neocon Compassion!
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by rwwff » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 22:21:01
Dude, thats one seriously wide net you are tossing; I suspect it easily snares just about all but the 50 most liberal house members.
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by Jack » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 23:44:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'T')hen we insist the poorest 1% slave away in a minimum wage job when it requires twice that for a family of three to get above the poverty line. They veto increasing the minimum wage, divert all benefits to the rich and America just sits here and bends over for it.
You say that as if there's something wrong with it. Somebody has to be at the bottom of the heap, working hard to make life better for the rest of us. I nominate them.
Just call me Mr. Compassion.
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by seahorse » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 00:07:50
Elijah,
Its easy to create a problem when you only give half the picture. Sure, the wealthiest get tax breaks, but you forgot to mention that only the wealthy "tip." So, the apparent economic disparity of which you complain all evens out with tips, right Jack? That's trickle down economics.
Its easy to create a problem when you only give half the picture. Sure, the wealthiest get tax breaks, but you forgot to mention that only the wealthy "tip." So, the apparent economic disparity of which you complain all evens out with tips, right Jack? That's trickle down economics.
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by Jack » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 00:20:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'E')lijah,
So, the apparent economic disparity of which you complain all evens out with tips, right Jack? That's trickle down economics.
So, the apparent economic disparity of which you complain all evens out with tips, right Jack? That's trickle down economics.
Not only do they tip, they tip very well indeed. I know people that make very good livings (i.e., 50K +) per year catering to the wealthy.
The ironic thing is, all they really need to do is show up on time (consistently) and be reasonably pleasant. Too often, people won't even do that. In fact, one individual has, I suppose, just lost his job after not showing up, calling, or making any other effort to communicate after three days. What is an employer supposed to do with such irresponsibility?
There's a reason people are at the bottom - in most instances they work hard to stay there.
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by azreal60 » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 00:32:23
See, I would have to disagree jack.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's a reason people are at the bottom - in most instances they work hard to stay there
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's a reason people are at the bottom - in most instances they work hard to stay there
I guess the thing I disagree with is the term Most. I would say most of the people really at the bottom are not there because they tried to be or even because they deserved to be. Sure, there are some there that just didn't work in this culture. But alot of the people there are there simply because they had nothing to fall back on, and life gave them some crappy cards.
To often, I see people big on personal responsiblity see one person who fits the welfare queen profile and assume that the majority of people on welfare are like that. In reality, this is anything but true.
The really stupid thing about it is this. Why the heck would you not include college or at least job training in a job that will actually get them off welfare in with things that qualify for getting welfare. I mean, that's just dumb. You do want less people on the welfare rolls right? If they want to help you out by taking themselves off by getting training in a job that actualy pays more than 6.25 an hour, why the heck wouldn't you help them do that?
That's why I never liked the neocon ideals. It's not because they are conservative ideals. It's because they take being stupid to equal being conservative.
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Re: Neocon Compassion!
by Jack » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 00:45:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'T')he really stupid thing about it is this. Why the heck would you not include college or at least job training in a job that will actually get them off welfare in with things that qualify for getting welfare. I mean, that's just dumb. You do want less people on the welfare rolls right? If they want to help you out by taking themselves off by getting training in a job that actualy pays more than 6.25 an hour, why the heck wouldn't you help them do that?
On the one hand, the conventional wisdom is that those with a 4 year degree have an earnings advantage over those without. That said, one must question the details of the aforementioned conventional wisdom. I've no doubt that a software engineer from MIT makes good money. But does someone with a 4 year degree in art from padiscadiddle U. have an earnings advantage over a good auto mechanic? I question that.
We must also recognize that college is not for everyone. Furthermore, since it is a private good, one must ask how much society is expected to donate to this goal. The various legislatures seem to believe they are at capacity presently.
Now, as to the poor - there is really no need to remain at $6.25 per hour, even if one does not have a college education. An OK waiter (or waitress) in a so-so eatery can make over $20K per year. If you don't believe it, talk to them. Better waiters, at better places, make considerably more. Nothing is needed but a high school education.
And there are many more such things available.
Really, I think we'd be better off if we deemphasized college for the masses.
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