OK, let's go thru this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')So for instance vastly complex system of food production and distribution will end.
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Near-Term Systemic Implications of a Peak in Global Oil Prod
Re: Near-Term Systemic Implications of a Peak in Global Oil Prod
by mcgowanjm » Sun 28 Mar 2010, 13:04:47
When this ends, cities larger than 350 000 Max become
uninhabitable. Period. Two days after the last regularly scheduled truckload of groceries was due to arrive.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'M')uch of our suburbia is really only a network to isolate the citizenry from resources, production, and ownership and its take vast amounts of money to maintain this bondage.
So an entity will disappear and be replaced with something different;
Money is debt is energy growth. W/o energy growth
debt repayment is impossible and so the formation of the following
(which we're doing now,btw, will be impossible)
Mega-farms>
giant regional processing facilities (slaughter houses, massive grain dryers and silos)>
manufacturing and packaging plants>
JIT food highway>warehouse>highway>convenience stores>feeder road>house>stomach
>shitter
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')omplex systems need constant infusions of energy to hold together--otherwise they shake, rattle, and roll and eventually change state: think steam to water to ice. This is called phase change and may happen on the national, regional, local level. Hard to predict when it happens because underlying topography is hard to measure.
New orders appear at lower energy levels.
--Permaculture communities,
--isolated wealthy farm towns
--prisons,
--re-invigorated small towns,
--gated communities and city islands
--massive unemployment in a big city is still another. Think hordes of people moping about in long wood coats, crappy broken shoes, and tin cans as cups and lots of mush.
--malls turned into flophouses and barracks
But aside from the malls (which are being abandoned CRE
Crisis as we speak, we've got the above now).
As energy ROEI, depletion and crushing of demand becomes
Non Linear, so will the Phase Change. And as we've waited
til now instead of moving on this in 1980, the Time Wall is now
upon us. As we move into this phase change we will realize
per Orlov, that indeed the Russians were better prepared for
Collapse than we were.
Just an example. There will be Wholesale change of our 'Leaders'
as we hang the $MultiTrillion of fraud around their necks. Our Empire will collapse. Our Military will be stranded overseas.
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Re: Near-Term Systemic Implications of a Peak in Global Oil Prod
by Ludi » Sun 28 Mar 2010, 14:50:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')When this ends, cities larger than 350 000 Max become
uninhabitable.
')When this ends, cities larger than 350 000 Max become
uninhabitable.
Why such a large number? Even very tiny towns get virtually all their food from central locations and have very little stored. Most people in the country get their food at the store just like city people.
The largest cities of the past (up to 1 million) were closely surrounded by intensive farms which delivered food to the city daily. Ever other small town either had food mostly brought in by wagon (and later, train) as in western US pioneer towns, or were again surrounded by dense farmland.
So I'm not sure what's magical about 350,000 people.
- Ludi
Farming is hard and not many people want to do it, or even know how to do it. Food comes from the store for most people, not from the dirt.
