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Unread postby dukey » Sat 04 Jul 2009, 05:39:29

So it turns out the active ingredient in MSG, glutamate is actually a neurotransmitter chemical. According to wiki

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lutamate is the most abundant excitatory neurotransmitter in the mammalian nervous system. At chemical synapses, glutamate is stored in vesicles. Nerve impulses trigger release of glutamate from the pre-synaptic cell. In the opposing post-synaptic cell, glutamate receptors, such as the NMDA receptor, bind glutamate and are activated. Because of its role in synaptic plasticity, it is believed that glutamic acid is involved in cognitive functions like learning and memory in the brain.


So apparently eating MSG, actually overstimulates cells in your brain causing them to die. So the question is, how much of this stuff are you eating ?

Heres an excellent documentary on the subject ..
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2294&hl=en

It's really quite scary to think that the food you eat will mentally retardate you. I thought it was bad enough people willingly took shots with mercury (a known neurotoxin) in them.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 04 Jul 2009, 05:47:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')o it turns out the active ingredient in MSG, glutamate is actually a neurotransmitter chemical. According to wiki$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lutamate is the most abundant excitatory neurotransmitter in the mammalian nervous system. At chemical synapses, glutamate is stored in vesicles. Nerve impulses trigger release of glutamate from the pre-synaptic cell. In the opposing post-synaptic cell, glutamate receptors, such as the NMDA receptor, bind glutamate and are activated. Because of its role in synaptic plasticity, it is believed that glutamic acid is involved in cognitive functions like learning and memory in the brain.
So apparently eating MSG, actually overstimulates cells in your brain causing them to die. So the question is, how much of this stuff are you eating ? Heres an excellent documentary on the subject: video
It's really quite scary to think that the food you eat will mentally retardate you. I thought it was bad enough people willingly took shots with mercury (a known neurotoxin) in them.

Well.. I don't particularly want to kill off brain cells but.. sometimes I think I'm a little TOO smart for my own good.

Oh, and alcohol kills brain cells too. And aluminum in your food (such as baking powder) can give you alzheimers down the road. And last but not least is the evil of tupperware and all the other plastics in your life -- researchers are beginning to suspect this is what's giving kids autism.

In short.. science giveth and science taketh away. In so many ways, our modern lifestyle is literally killing us. But in other areas, modern medicine does wonders for us. I guess it's a net positive.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 04 Jul 2009, 07:32:57

I thought MSG is found in tomatoes?
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby dukey » Sat 04 Jul 2009, 08:57:08

the glutamate in tomatoes is probably bound to other proteins, rather than free to cause havoc
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby outcast » Sat 04 Jul 2009, 12:19:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') thought it was bad enough people willingly took shots with mercury (a known neurotoxin) in them.


Mercury is only a neurotoxin in its free form, organic mercury (which was the kind used in the vaccines) is harmless except to infants. Get your facts straight.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o it turns out the active ingredient in MSG, glutamate is actually a neurotransmitter chemical. According to wiki



And yet Asian people who eat that stuff all the time still find ways to beat the pants off of us in math competitions.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby sjn » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 06:13:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') thought it was bad enough people willingly took shots with mercury (a known neurotoxin) in them.


Mercury is only a neurotoxin in its free form, organic mercury (which was the kind used in the vaccines) is harmless except to infants. Get your facts straight.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o it turns out the active ingredient in MSG, glutamate is actually a neurotransmitter chemical. According to wiki



And yet Asian people who eat that stuff all the time still find ways to beat the pants off of us in math competitions.

Mathematics isn't really a higher function, it's a intrinsic facility of the brain, some are just more able than others to directly tap into it. Ever wondered why mathematical geniuses often never seemed all that smart in other ways? Idiot savants?
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby Chuckmak » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 16:12:07

where can i find more of it? i'm all about brain cell destruction.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 20:41:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')o it turns out the active ingredient in MSG, glutamate is actually a neurotransmitter chemical.


That's certainly true, BUT it's not just as simple as swallowing a neurotransmitter excites your brain. First off glutamate is an amino acid. Any time you eat protein you are eating glutamate along with a host of other amino acids. What's important for brain chemistry is how much of that glutamate makes it from your gut, to your blood, across the blood brain barrier, into the neurons, and then gets re-excreted into the synapse causing neural excitation. It should be rather obvious that process is regulated because we don't see people going into seizures every time they eat Chinese food or running around acting like they're on meth. It's the same reason that depression can't be treated by giving someone a big tablet of serotonin.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o the question is, how much of this stuff are you eating ?


None if I can help it. I get wicked headaches the next morning from it, but that's another issue.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:08:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')o. Truthfully. I have watched my politically correct friends, the ones who drive prius's's ask for "no msg, please" and then I've walked back into the kitchen and watched their dishes being cooked and I see, first hand, the way the cooks add :mrgreen: EXTRA MSG :mrgreen: to the food--just for yucks! they never knew what slapped em'.


Not to mention the fact that all the raw foot/vegan types love Bragg's Liquid Aminos. Guess why it tastes so yummy? Hydrolyzing vegetable protein creates, among other things, MSG.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:13:38

2NaCl + CO2 + H2O ?
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:16:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '2')NaCl + CO2 + H2O ?


negative

Tofu + HCL -> MSG (and some other stuff)
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The only difference between MSG and Glutamate is the exact pH you're storing it at. In an acid solution it's Glutamate. In a basic solution it's MSG (or disodium glutamate if you get the solution really basic.)
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:22:47

We need more smart biochemistry-minded people like SPG on this site. :)
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Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:28:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')e need more smart biochemistry-minded people like SPG on this site. :)


yep, you won't get that from me LOL she is a much smarter cookie.

Now if you want to discuss the history of media and propaganda theory I am your guy.. Smart stuff like that is way beyond me .
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:30:43

You know what works awesome for brains? Liquor. After a couple shots of rum i am truly a different person :) God i wish i could be drunk 24/7... (hangovers kill it for me).
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Unread postby outcast » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:46:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')athematics isn't really a higher function, it's a intrinsic facility of the brain, some are just more able than others to directly tap into it. Ever wondered why mathematical geniuses often never seemed all that smart in other ways? Idiot savants?



Not really, they are good at it because they practice a lot and it emphasized in their education systems. Of course there are a few math geniuses who can do it with little or no practice, but the majority are not like that and they can still outperform their western equivelents.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 05 Jul 2009, 23:53:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'Y')ou know what works awesome for brains? Liquor.


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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 00:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'M')athematics isn't really a higher function, it's a intrinsic facility of the brain, some are just more able than others to directly tap into it. Ever wondered why mathematical geniuses often never seemed all that smart in other ways? Idiot savants?


Kinda depends on what math you're talking about right? Simple arithmetic is mostly a function of short term memory. Differential equations OTOH is pretty darned abstract.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby dukey » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 06:03:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's certainly true, BUT it's not just as simple as swallowing a neurotransmitter excites your brain. First off glutamate is an amino acid. Any time you eat protein you are eating glutamate along with a host of other amino acids. What's important for brain chemistry is how much of that glutamate makes it from your gut, to your blood, across the blood brain barrier, into the neurons, and then gets re-excreted into the synapse causing neural excitation. It should be rather obvious that process is regulated because we don't see people going into seizures every time they eat Chinese food or running around acting like they're on meth. It's the same reason that depression can't be treated by giving someone a big tablet of serotonin.


From my understanding of the debate many foods do contain glutamate. But they are normally always bound with other proteins so take a while to get broken down by your digestive system and the release into your blood is slow. The problem with MSG is, the glutamate is already in amino acid form and thus gets absorbed very quickly leading to a massive spike of glutamate in your blood stream, up to 25 times higher than normal. Maybe people don't get seisures from eating chinese food but they do get what's be dubbed as Chinese restaurant syndrome.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n April 1968, Robert Ho Man Kwok wrote a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine, coining the term "Chinese restaurant syndrome":

I have experienced a strange syndrome whenever I have eaten out in a Chinese restaurant, especially one that served northern Chinese food. The syndrome, which usually begins 15 to 20 minutes after I have eaten the first dish, lasts for about two hours, without hangover effect. The most prominent symptoms are numbness at the back of the neck, gradually radiating to both arms and the back, general weakness and palpitations...[5]

http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/_srcfil ... Report.pdf

I think we should all be very concerned about MSG.
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Re: MSG destroys your brain

Unread postby outcast » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 10:14:38

Looking that up I found this in relation to that study.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile many people believe that monosodium glutamate (MSG) is the cause of these symptoms, an association has never been demonstrated under rigorously controlled conditions, even in studies with people who were convinced that they were sensitive to the compound



It seems that study was disproven. Do you push every disproven study you find?
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