[Carlhole]

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Bill Maher Raises Horus from the Dead On 'The View'

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Acharya S', 'I')magine my surprise when I heard that Bill Maher, plugging his new movie "Religulous," was on the highly popular show "The View" discussing the Egyptian god Horus!

In the segment provided below of the brave Maher's appearance among "The View's" she-wolves, he says that the story of the virgin-born savior who rose from the dead was popular around the Mediterranean for a "thousands years" before Christianity. Bill then relates that Horus raised "Lazarus" from the dead. Maher next attempts to raise "the Indian god Krishna," but he's cut off.

Now, Maher could only have gotten that information about Horus from a few places, one of which is my work. The only sources prior to my book The Christ Conspiracythat discuss the Horus-Lazarus connection to any extent are Alvin Boyd Kuhn and Gerald Massey. There are a few places since the publication of Christ Con, including Tom Harpur's The Pagan Christ, which has gotten some notoriety. It would be nice to know, of course, if Maher has been exposed to my work, whether directly or through the hit movie "ZEITGEIST." Since the bit about Lazarus is not in ZG, it's possible someone along the way during his movie project steered Maher towards my work...

[POAlex]

Actually, the "Jesus is a reinvented Horus" is a falsification when you look at the facts.

The sources quoted in Zeitgeist are New Age authors. When you read up on the actual history of Horus and Krishna from real historians, you see the claims are false.

On top of that, they claim extra-biblical evidence against Christ. One example is the fact that there's no mention of Jesus being born on December 25 anywhere in the Bible. Christmas was an invention of the Catholic Church and has no basis in Bible believing Christianity.

When you start seeing what the people behind Zeitgeist have done, you'll see they've used blatant disinformation. This movie may actually increase your faith that Jesus is indeed real and the Bible can be trusted.

Here's a good rebuttle of the film's claims about Christ.

[video width=400 height=344]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7572663630528394775&hl=en&fs=true[/video]

Take care,
Alex

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'O')n top of that, they claim extra-biblical evidence against Christ. One example is the fact that there's no mention of Jesus being born on December 25 anywhere in the Bible. Christmas was an invention of the Catholic Church and has no basis in Bible believing Christianity.

[TheDude]

Am very keen on seeing Religulous anyway. Maher was on the Daily Show, they played a clip of Bill dressed up as a homeless guy screaming about aliens invading Earth trillions of years ago, blowing us all up with nuclear weapons, you all need an audit. Surely the ravings of a lunatic!

[POAlex]

That's right.

They took what the Bible says about Jesus, transferred much of it to pagan gods, then claimed He is a copy of them.

Alex

[iiioil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to Papyrus Chester-Beatty I, Set is depicted as trying to prove his dominance by seducing Horus and then having intercourse with him. However, Horus places his hand between his thighs and catches Set's semen, then subsequently throws it in the river, so that he may not be said to have been inseminated by Set. Horus then deliberately spreads his own semen on some lettuce, which was Set's favorite food (the Egyptians thought that lettuce was phallic). After Set has eaten the lettuce, they go to the gods to try to settle the argument over the rule of Egypt. The gods first listen to Set's claim of dominance over Horus, and call his semen forth, but it answers from the river, invalidating his claim. Then, the gods listen to Horus' claim of having dominated Set, and call his semen forth, and it answers from inside Set.[7]

[Carlhole]

The documentary, The God Who Wasn't There, goes into this whole thing about their being some 20 different "Jesus-like" saviours throughout ancient history - Horus was one of them (and probably the earliest).

The Christian Church, early in its history, had addressed this apparent multiplicity of saviour figures, all having many of the same traits as did Jesus. The name of the particular doctrine that the Church released on the subject escapes me but it is described in The God Who Wasn't There. The church claimed that it was Satan who had previously placed these jesus-imposters on Earth so as to fool people when the REAL jesus finally came along! It's Christian doctrine!

With a little searching, you can find this very entertaining movie and torrent it for free. It was written and directed by a former Christian who had been educated in the faith from a very young age.


But what gets me about ANY religion is that they all posit knowledge of things that exist OUTSIDE our knowable physical universe. It's NOT POSSIBLE to know anything about what may or may not exist outside our universe!!

The universe is composed of energy, matter, space and time - this is the only realm that human beings can know about. If you say something like: "Human Beings possess a 'soul'" or "God created the universe" or "Ghosts, angels and demons are real entities" - you are saying that you have knowledge about something that exists quite apart from the knowable physical universe (energy, matter, space, time). You are saying that there is a 'non-physical' reality that exists as part of (or above) the physical universe.

Yet, believers acknowledge that they cannot show any evidence of there being any 'soul substance' or angels, demons, holy ghost or whatever 'non-physical reality' you want to term it.

Ordinarily, the burden of proof falls on he who makes a fantastic claim. The claimant must prove that that exists which he claims exists. But the religious insist that the burden of proof falls on those who cannot prove that God (or any other non-physical reality) DOES NOT exist. You can't prove that something doesn't exist.

The religious have got things all backwards in their minds.

The religious have got things all backwards in their minds.

[killJOY]

I don't care about the supposed Horus/Jesus parallels, and the "movie" "Zeitgeist" is a paranoid piece of sh1t.


The Jesus legend is based on the extant writings of the New Testament, which presents this small list of difficulties:

1. The (extraordinary) events occurred 2,000 years ago and can hardly be verified.

2. The earliest probable drafts of the gospels were written decades after the events described.

3. The documents are written in literate Greek, whereas the proposed authors (Jesus's company) were illiterate, Aramaic-speaking fishermen.

4. There are NO extant original manuscripts.

5. There are no extant COPIES of the original manuscripts.

6. There are no independent attestations of the events in the gospels.

7. The authors are unknown and the current names -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- are second century guesses.

8. The documents are admittedly tendentious (John 20:31).

9. The documents are admittedly derivative (Luke 1:1-3).

10. The surviving documents are known to have been altered by scribes. (Ehrmann, "Misquoting Jesus").

11. Contemporaneous documents (i.e. "heretical" gospels) were destroyed.

12. The documents contain numerous contradictions, interpolations, and inconsistencies.


So, who gives a fVkc about Horus?

And associating scholarly Jesus-debunking with the crappy, conspiratorial, paranoid, long-winded "Zeitgeist" is a sure way to discredit biblical criticism.

Stick it up your arses.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'S')tick it up your arses.

[Carlhole]

The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. - Thomas Paine

Horus was the Egyptian Sun God.

Atheist Empire

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Some parallels between Horus and Jesus Christ:

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Horus born of a virgin.
Jesus born of a virgin.

The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph.
Jesus was fostered by Joseph.

Horus was of royal descent.
Jesus was of royal descent.

Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts.

Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

The birth of Horus announced by angels.
The birth of Jesus announced by angels.

Herut tried to murder the infant Horus.
Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.

Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river.
Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.

Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain.
Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.

Horus had 12 followers.
Jesus had 12 disciples.

Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris]
Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.

Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu.
The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

Horus was killed by crucifixtion.
Jesus was crucified.

Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion.
Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu.
Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

Horus was resurrected after 3 days.
Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one” horus, Lord of the sky

Horus was considered the Good Shepherd amongst other names identified as a falcon to watch over shepherds, flocks and other grazing cattle.
Jesus was called the Good Shepherd amongst other names the same for Horus.

Horus is associated with fish and is linked with the star sign Pisces.
Jesus is also associated with fish [and fishermen] and has Pisces as his star sign.

[Denny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')On top of that, they claim extra-biblical evidence against Christ. One example is the fact that there's no mention of Jesus being born on December 25 anywhere in the Bible. Christmas was an invention of the Catholic Church and has no basis in Bible believing Christianity.

[POAlex]

Carhole,

Wouldn't you say you're doing what they're doing in the movie? When you follow the link to website you provided, there were no historical or Egyptologist sources quoted to support what is said about Horus. In fact, when you dig up the real facts about Horus you really start to question what's going on here.

Here is a link to a website about Egypt. There they use real historical sources and Egyptology to examine the life of Horus. Mysteriously absent are the claims in Zeitgeist and the ones you just posted.

That aside, I'm going to pose an honest question to you and hope you sincerely think about it.

Why do you think Jesus and the Bible are attacked so relentlessly in this world? Why do these movies always attack Jesus? Why not Horus or Buddha or Krishna or Mohammed?

Why is it that the name of Jesus Christ is used as a curse word? I've never heard someone use Buddha or Mohammed as a curse word.

Could it be because someone down here really hates Him?

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
(Ephesians 6:12)

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)

Something to think about.

Alex

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')Could it be because someone down here really hates Him?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
(Ephesians 6:12)

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)

[Chuckmak]

I think it's time I add POAlex to my ignore list.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'T')he religious have got things all backwards in their minds.

The religious have got things all backwards in their minds.

[Carlhole]

What is Christianity?

The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because the first human female, who was made out of one of the first human male's ribs, was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree whose fruit gave her and her mate some sort of forbidden knowledge. And if you don't believe this, when you die you'll go to a hot horrible place devoid of all hope which is run by a red-colored horned angel who will torture you for all eternity.

and, umm... oh yeah... be nice to each other!

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'K')nowing what truly constitutes reality is a wellspring of solace.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Of course then again perhaps it is an allegory with the purpose of encouraging people to not despair, to not become cynical. Perhaps it's real purpose is not Theological but to protect and provide sanctuary for the reverence of Sacred Things like Birth, Marriage, Community, Death and so on. Perhaps Mythology that is guarded and kept alive is a necessary factor in keeping people relatively sane in an insane world. I don't know, just speculating.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'O')f course then again perhaps it is an allegory with the purpose of encouraging people to not despair, to not become cynical. Perhaps it's real purpose is not Theological but to protect and provide sanctuary for the reverence of Sacred Things like Birth, Marriage, Community, Death and so on. Perhaps Mythology that is guarded and kept alive is a necessary factor in keeping people relatively sane in an insane world. I don't know, just speculating.