[bobaloo]

threadbear, based on my personal experiences, and those of good friends of mine, I believe that there is substantial evidence that there are some among us who have the technology to directly interact with our consciousness at a level we cannot comprehend. Kind of like Mr. Abbott's story about flatland, it's like they can see our consciousness and manipulate it from outside in ways we can't comprehend. Now whether these folks are black ops projects, aliens, demons, angels or whatnot I don't know or claim to know, but I have observed their work several times and there is no "rational" explanation. I believe they have the ability to not be seen, not by invisibility, but by causing us not to look at them. They can alter our memories, implant false memories, issue subconscious commands.

I'm not going into detail here but when I was young I had my first experience with these folks and they really screwed me up for a long time before I was able to break through the walls they had planted in my mind and recover some of the memories. My wife and my kids have had similar experiences but it took years for us to overcome the implanted command not to discuss it.

To give you an idea of what it's like, about 15 years ago we were living in a small town, we had two small kids at the time. I woke up in the middle of the night and the room was filled with a tremendously bright light and the the house was noticeably shaking. Now, the normal reaction of a father with two small kids in the house would be to leap out of bed, grab a gun and go see what's going on. What did I do? I rolled over and went back to sleep! I carried that memory for years and one day was able to mention it to my wife. Turns out that she had the same memory but had never been able to discuss it with me either. Someone / something was able to tell me to ignore my normal reaction to protect my kids and just go back to sleep, then not discuss it with anyone.

Again, I don't have any objective evidence of who/what is behind this. I have a suspicion that it's much weirder than what we might imagine. I remember Terrence McKenna said that these folks have adopted the disguise of an extraterrestrial invasion because the truth is too weird for us to believe.

I describe myself as a skeptic, but a real skeptic, which means that I don't believe in a theory without evidence, but if I do find evidence I accept it. I know what my subjective experiences have been, but I don't have any proof of what the cause of these experiences have been. If I were a devout fundamentalist I'd blame them on demons, if I were a UFO believer I'd blame them on EBE's, but again, I suspect it's something a lot more interesting, which I hope to figure out some day.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobaloo', 't')hreadbear, based on my personal experiences, and those of good friends of mine, I believe that there is substantial evidence that there are some among us who have the technology to directly interact with our consciousness at a level we cannot comprehend. Kind of like Mr. Abbott's story about flatland, it's like they can see our consciousness and manipulate it from outside in ways we can't comprehend. Now whether these folks are black ops projects, aliens, demons, angels or whatnot I don't know or claim to know, but I have observed their work several times and there is no "rational" explanation. I believe they have the ability to not be seen, not by invisibility, but by causing us not to look at them. They can alter our memories, implant false memories, issue subconscious commands.

I'm not going into detail here but when I was young I had my first experience with these folks and they really screwed me up for a long time before I was able to break through the walls they had planted in my mind and recover some of the memories. My wife and my kids have had similar experiences but it took years for us to overcome the implanted command not to discuss it.

To give you an idea of what it's like, about 15 years ago we were living in a small town, we had two small kids at the time. I woke up in the middle of the night and the room was filled with a tremendously bright light and the the house was noticeably shaking. Now, the normal reaction of a father with two small kids in the house would be to leap out of bed, grab a gun and go see what's going on. What did I do? I rolled over and went back to sleep! I carried that memory for years and one day was able to mention it to my wife. Turns out that she had the same memory but had never been able to discuss it with me either. Someone / something was able to tell me to ignore my normal reaction to protect my kids and just go back to sleep, then not discuss it with anyone.

Again, I don't have any objective evidence of who/what is behind this. I have a suspicion that it's much weirder than what we might imagine. I remember Terrence McKenna said that these folks have adopted the disguise of an extraterrestrial invasion because the truth is too weird for us to believe.

I describe myself as a skeptic, but a real skeptic, which means that I don't believe in a theory without evidence, but if I do find evidence I accept it. I know what my subjective experiences have been, but I don't have any proof of what the cause of these experiences have been. If I were a devout fundamentalist I'd blame them on demons, if I were a UFO believer I'd blame them on EBE's, but again, I suspect it's something a lot more interesting, which I hope to figure out some day.

[bobaloo]

Yeah, I read George's website. It's entertaining, not sure much credibility to give it at the moment although I do find the idea behind the webbots believable as I've personally experienced strong, specific precognition several times in my own life. I've long subscribed to the idea of events "leaking backwards" through time, before I ever heard of their project. If they've really found a way to dig some sense out of the collective consciousness, more power to them, but I suspect the universe has plenty of tricks to play on them.

I suspect there's plenty of big events to come down this year so we'll have an opportunity to see if they can come up with anything useful. On the other hand, I don't think we need hi-tech woowoo to see what's coming, just reading the papers and drawing your own conclusions will probably give you a pretty good idea. I've felt these days coming for a long time and have been "prepping" for the last 30 years to try to cover a number of the possible major events possible in the near future, not much else I can do at the moment so not letting myself get worked up about it.

To get back to the original subject of this thread, if things do start to break up the way they're looking to, it may provide the space for some of the more exotic aspects of reality to move into the open, for better or worse. It should be interesting times.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobaloo', 't')hreadbear, based on my personal experiences, and those of good friends of mine, I believe that there is substantial evidence that there are some among us who have the technology to directly interact with our consciousness at a level we cannot comprehend. Kind of like Mr. Abbott's story about flatland, it's like they can see our consciousness and manipulate it from outside in ways we can't comprehend. Now whether these folks are black ops projects, aliens, demons, angels or whatnot I don't know or claim to know, but I have observed their work several times and there is no "rational" explanation. I believe they have the ability to not be seen, not by invisibility, but by causing us not to look at them. They can alter our memories, implant false memories, issue subconscious commands.

I'm not going into detail here but when I was young I had my first experience with these folks and they really screwed me up for a long time before I was able to break through the walls they had planted in my mind and recover some of the memories. My wife and my kids have had similar experiences but it took years for us to overcome the implanted command not to discuss it.

To give you an idea of what it's like, about 15 years ago we were living in a small town, we had two small kids at the time. I woke up in the middle of the night and the room was filled with a tremendously bright light and the the house was noticeably shaking. Now, the normal reaction of a father with two small kids in the house would be to leap out of bed, grab a gun and go see what's going on. What did I do? I rolled over and went back to sleep! I carried that memory for years and one day was able to mention it to my wife. Turns out that she had the same memory but had never been able to discuss it with me either. Someone / something was able to tell me to ignore my normal reaction to protect my kids and just go back to sleep, then not discuss it with anyone.

Again, I don't have any objective evidence of who/what is behind this. I have a suspicion that it's much weirder than what we might imagine. I remember Terrence McKenna said that these folks have adopted the disguise of an extraterrestrial invasion because the truth is too weird for us to believe.

I describe myself as a skeptic, but a real skeptic, which means that I don't believe in a theory without evidence, but if I do find evidence I accept it. I know what my subjective experiences have been, but I don't have any proof of what the cause of these experiences have been. If I were a devout fundamentalist I'd blame them on demons, if I were a UFO believer I'd blame them on EBE's, but again, I suspect it's something a lot more interesting, which I hope to figure out some day.

[Anthrobus]

weird enough for me:

i travelled in sicily once and climbed up Mt. Etna. Totally alone i came up to the crater area where a little lava flow was slowly moving. I was idle quite some time up there, enjoying the warmth of the glowing lava, kicking a red-hot piece of it in the snow to have a souvenir and making little experiments like burning refuse or peeing into the glow.

Finally, i walked down to the lift, got to the car and drove down to bends of the street for making picknick. As i left the car, i heard heavy roaring and booming sounds from the clouds above me where the summit must have been. The damned volcano just had erupted not two hours after i left the summit area (and really heavy, as i heard little later). I couldn't believe what had happened. My host got very nervous, when i gave him a hint where i had been this day.

Truly Bizarre is, how curious and innocent i played around up there, with the most powerful forces of nature built up so close by. Would Mt. Etna have erupted while i peed at the lava and i would had survived, i might be a believer now.

To bring the story to an end and into context, this was one of some, very different situations i got into by my carelessness and which could have easily taken a turn to the worst (but didn't).

Got the idea of some guardian too?