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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 18 Apr 2015, 13:21:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'I') am not referring to your skin color Preston, I am referring to some peoples world view filter.

Not half as interesting as conservatives playing the race card.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 18 Apr 2015, 15:19:10

Preston what are you going on about now, I can not follow the logic tying your posts together into a coherent thought. As the resident Libertarian I find your use of the term right wing quite odd. I think we should go back to the school lunch menu we had in the 1970's before the obesity crisis even existed because clearly what we have been doing for the last 20 years is not helping.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 18 Apr 2015, 17:51:42

We used to bring our own lunches when we went to school in Australia or buy it at the canteen run by volunteer mums with an emphasis on healthy choices.
Once a week we would put in a Fish and Chip order from the local shop that would be delivered though.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby careinke » Sat 18 Apr 2015, 19:20:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'G')ood to see a US school actually try to fight childhood obesity, one of the main precursors to early onset of heart disease. Or maybe it's better to just fatten 'em up to reduce the future pension bill.


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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 18 Apr 2015, 19:57:40

First disclaimers:
1. My daughter's answer to Michele's rule is that she simply refuses to eat until school is over. She's height/weight normal, bmi fine, blah blah. We get lunch after school, usually Chick-fil A or McDonalds, whatever. (meals are actually fine, its that drink that kills on calories and energy ratios; make it a diet soda, and the numbers are fine.)

2. *I* ate school lunches as a kid, we had a snack bar; my lunch 99% of the time was a large Frito Pie with enough salt in it to pickle an acre of cucumbers. In spite of that sort of food in quantity, I was rail thin, underweight till my 20s. I was however, constantly active, and only rarely inside.

So all that said... now I'm gonna stick up for that lunch, that has been mutilated first by a disinterested food service worker, and a mischievous teen out to get even for being denied a good, huge, salt laden Frito Pie.

1. The piece of bread, is a piece of bread, whole wheat is basically that color when cooked. Its bread. Without the salt though, so its probably seriously bland, but nothing a salt shaker stowed in a backpack can't fix.

2. The fish, that's a skin-on filet; I don't see anything that suggests the scales were left on. If they were, that is poor food prep, but it wouldn't change the way it looks. The layer that is non-white just below the skin, is actually where everything good about fish flesh is located. The bleach white flesh is just some protein and water for the most part. So... if you look at that lunch from a nutrition point of view, its just about perfect for a sedentary teen that goes to school, then goes home and watches tv or plays social media or video games. From a foodie PoV, the fish needs to be seared, with some salt, a half-lemon; the roll needs to be butter glazed; and the corn is definitely overcooked, canned, low-grade, cheap stuff. (corn isn't a veggie though, so I'm not sure why its there instead of like green beans, broccoli, or steamed carrots) Its also balanced a little too heavy on the carb/protein side; but that's something the feds haven't quite bought into yet.

Unfortunately....
Its also a lunch that only the most desperate or deranged teen would eat.
Its also completely insufficient from a calorie pov for any teen that is involved with ANY outdoor/sport extra curricular activity.

So the above approach to lunches has created a new way of the world for school kids. When I was a kid, the only ones who brought lunch in a bag were those who were too poor to buy a Frito Pie and soda; or those few who had peculiar, strong allergies. Now days, the kids that can afford "stuff", bring lunches (not unlike the image with the full calorie can of coke) or buy lunch after school at a fast food restaurant.

Basically, I rag on Michele's food crusade, not for the idea that she's pushing, but rather, it simply can't scale at a price districts or the kids can afford. At $10 a plate, MO's idea will work like a champ (most especially if they eased up on their hatred of sodium) for most kids. At $2 a plate, you end up with something the kids won't eat. There also needs to be some understanding that the kid in track really does need close to 4k kcal's during the day, and it would be better if the bulk of the calories came early, and were heavier on fats. Saving the carbs for post training glycogen recovery; so for them, the lunch in question is not only insufficient, but its completely messed up even if they bought three of them. So, M.O.'s fails hard on flexibility.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 02:21:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')reston what are you going on about now, I can not follow the logic tying your posts together into a coherent thought..

You may want to see a neurologist about that. I'm starting to think that most of the short tempered people on line have actual cognitive problems, and the moment someone pushes back they overload their ability to process information. Then they go into that weird spaz victory dance you're doing. This also explains the popularity of internet conspiracy theories since they eliminate the need for reasoning or processing new information.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 02:33:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'S')ome people use what I call the White Male filter.


I know, Subjectivist, but that fish is still gray.

I don't have any kids, does anyone around here know if this is really a problem or not? Are public school lunches really this bad now, or not? It looks like they don't even fill up all the spots on the trays anymore.

I remember when I was a kid -- it was pizza on Fridays. Some odd cafeteria pizza that you wouldn't encounter anywhere else on this planet, yet, after 12 years of eating that I can still remember it to this day. :lol: I'd actually buy some of that if it was at the store, just some forgotten food you haven't had in so long.

And I remember there would always be a couple overweight kids, and they'd buy TWO lunches and eat both lunches. They would be a bit embarrassed but actually, I don't remember anyone picking on them. It was just "wow look at so and so with two lunches."

So I just don't know what the new reality is, if a big kid wants two lunches will they not even sell it to them anymore? :?:

The worst I remember about school lunches: they used to serve this bizarre meat gravy thing with like taco bell sized chunks of some kind of meat, and then the cafeteria mashed potatoes, and then if you mixed it all up it just looked disgusting.

What I remember about school lunches -- it was enough to eat, but actually just barely enough and that's what I remember, and I was never a fat kid. From the looks of these new lunches, that's just not enough food, and nobody would eat a gray piece of fish like that with what looks to be scales on top.

(P.S. The political angle to this, and Democrats should listen to it, is that people are fearful of a government program that can put out a mandate that everyone either MUST follow or LOSE the federal funding.

And so you get this school lunch situation, some schools are stuck serving food the kids will not eat, the food gets thrown away, yet the orders are coming from Washington DC and they can't do anything about it.

The political angle is that socialism is okay, even great, when it works -- when it is done well -- and when it is not, people can really freak out about it. It's being CONTROLLED by bureaucrats in Washington that are not around to actually see for themselves that a program they designed, does not work.

Now I'm not saying that's the ACA, it's definitely not Social Security, and Medicare works fine, but it looks like this school lunch thing is not working.

And also -- people just do not want to be micromanaged and controlled too much, like with NYC mayors regulating soda sizes and whether you can even buy a Coca Cola. That's what this school lunch thing looks like, like it's just a gray piece of fish and a hardtack wheat bun and maybe the government says you can't even buy your kid two lunch rations if you want to, and no choice of food, other than what the government says. Gray fish or no soup for you, and empty spots on the tray too.

And no, they shouldn't have to bring a bag lunch. They should get to have a hot lunch like we all did, when we were in school.)
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 03:09:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'F')irst disclaimers:
1. My daughter's answer to Michele's rule is that she simply refuses to eat until school is over. She's height/weight normal, bmi fine, blah blah. We get lunch after school, usually Chick-fil A or McDonalds, whatever. (meals are actually fine, its that drink that kills on calories and energy ratios; make it a diet soda, and the numbers are fine.)


Okay good, you know about this issue.

So have lunches really been diminished, and odd strange foods? It's not all just a made up thing?

Sounds like that's what you're saying, how have people not been raising hell about this. It should be like it was in the old days, you go to school, there's a hot lunch there in the cafeteria with some choices and it's normal cafeteria food that a general population of people would eat, and it's enough to eat.

That's how it should be. Kids deserve a hot lunch.

Also, it's not the government's business if someone's kid is overweight (it's often the government's direct fault, like with foster homes that put the kids on anti-psychotic drugs and that causes instant obesity and diabetes).

That's the conservative concern here, we've gone from how it was in the old days with food education (the food pyramid) to the government trying to change everybody and what they eat. Well it doesn't work that way, what one eats is taught in the home, food is cultural. A school cafeteria should not be some bizarre healthfood ration that one would never even see in a workplace cafeteria. The point of cafeterias is that it's general food most people would eat.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2'). *I* ate school lunches as a kid, we had a snack bar; my lunch 99% of the time was a large Frito Pie with enough salt in it to pickle an acre of cucumbers. In spite of that sort of food in quantity, I was rail thin, underweight till my 20s. I was however, constantly active, and only rarely inside.


Right, that's what I remember too, it was ENOUGH food to eat but actually just enough. These new lunches don't look like enough to eat, and I do not understand, because the Left has been saying for decades now that a lot of kids come to school hungry and for poor kids it may be their only meal. That's exactly what the Left has said all these years, now they cut their portions down to nothing, I do not understand it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd a mischievous teen out to get even for being denied a good, huge, salt laden Frito Pie.


:lol: Likely, yeah, but it's like prison if the food were decent enough they wouldn't complain so much.

Also -- we have had an industrial culture for a very long time now, and that means industrial food, which means that a lunchlady does not maybe have the skills to cook some exotic Brazilian dish that some book says is healthy, but you must have the skills, and time, to cook that. A grandmother in Sau Paulo would know how, a lunchlady in Duluth may not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ithout the salt though, so its probably seriously bland, but nothing a salt shaker stowed in a backpack can't fix.


I don't even think salt is bad for you. I think they're wrong about that. They're trying to turn all cooking into a pile of mush.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he layer that is non-white just below the skin, is actually where everything good about fish flesh is located.

Okay well you've educated me, I admit I don't know much about fish. That makes some sense.

They just need to properly cook the food they are trying to do, that's all, otherwise if you try to slap something healthy together and just call it healthy but it looks horrible and tastes awful and has no butter or seasoning then nobody is going to eat that.

Here's what they should do -- TEACH ALL STUDENTS *how* to cook. Required. That's just a great life skill. That's what makes the difference, if someone KNOWS how to make a pot of beans, if they KNOW how to make a soup, if maybe they KNOW how to make their own bread by hand. Then maybe they wouldn't spend a life eating at mcdonalds.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts also completely insufficient from a calorie pov

Right, looks concerning to me, like the Left was talking about childhood hunger but now they make them go hungry and call that healthy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut rather, it simply can't scale at a price districts or the kids can afford.

Right. Exactly. There was a whole tv show about this, a whole season, with Jamie Oliver (british chef) trying to remake the school lunch program in a west virginia school district.

What he found out is that it costs a lot of money, you can't do healthy with the budget alloted, and the cafeteria workers cannot cook it.

I just think this is America. Start serving American food again. One of my favorite restaurants is an Amish place. Old fashioned food. Nothing wrong with that, it's solid, real.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 03:38:10

I'm a registered Democrat, I may wind up voting Hillary after all, but Republicans are right on something so basic as this -- school cafeterias need to be under the control of local school boards.

We're talking about food so that kids don't go hungry, we're talking about running a restaurant operation and the First Lady cannot do that from Washington DC and have it turn out okay.

They need to get back to the USDA just helping out with basic supplies.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')N passes bill allowing schools to drop Michelle's school lunch program
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/tn_passes_bill_allowing_schools_to_drop_michelles_school_lunch_program.html


This may be one case where PRIVITIZATION can actually be a good idea. It looks like there are some private food service companies that could meet Michelle's goals better than what her -- or whoever it is in DC -- has tried to.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ig appetite for private solution to Michelle Obama’s school lunch plan
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/23/big-appetite-for-private-solution-to-michelle-obamas-school-lunch-plan/


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arents appalled by gross lunch served at Virginia school
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/parents-appalled-gross-lunch-served-virginia-school-article-1.2189116
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 04:15:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') don't really care about this issue
So why did you start the thread?


Well I just thought it was interesting, Keith. It's a broad issue -- centralized government control versus local, we're talking about food -- a lot of us are foodies -- and there's actually a broad theme here of INDUSTRIAL FOOD, as well.

If I'm not mistaken, USDA was always a farm support and handed out surplus to schools, and then they also support industrial food companies that would supply the schools.

So that's a lot of issues there. I find the industrial food angle interesting -- how can you suddenly ask cafeteria lunch ladies to make the kind of fish that is only done well in gourmet restaurants? Cafeteria staff know how to heat things up, that's pretty much it.

My point is that this seems like a small issue, like it's just lunches, but really it's bigger than that. It's an honest example of Lefty having gone overboard far too left, and they don't know how to run a nationwide cafeteria operation from the First Lady's residence. It's just a glaring incompetence thing, the program has been broken and a mess for over two years now at least.

Yet nobody does anything about it. Washington DC sends the menus and the weird foods that are supposed to be cooked, the lunch ladies don't know how to make it, they try and the kids don't eat it and it gets thrown away, meanwhile nobody knows who is in charge of this thing to start with, nobody in DC notices the program doesn't work.

It's a cautionary tale of when socialism can go wrong. Lunches are not the biggest issue in the country, but still, it's just an example of what can happen with a pinhead ivory tower ivy league program cooked up by someone in the federal capital.

edit: I meant I feel like I'm jumping the shark starting a thread about lunches, like that's a major issue, but for voters that have kids these school board things are a big deal. Obama admin screwed this up, it's stayed screwed up for a few years now, nobody does anything about it, that's why I'm yelling about it. ***I can see why people are concerned about common core, now.*** Lunch is a basic thing though -- we're talking about ***hunger*** here, not just curriculum. There are poor kids that maybe that is just about their only meal for a day, and it is the HEIGHT of too far left insanity to cut their lunch down to nothing just because a minority of kids are overweight, and then they call that a healthy eating program.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')reston what are you going on about now, I can not follow the logic tying your posts together into a coherent thought. As the resident Libertarian I find your use of the term right wing quite odd. I think we should go back to the school lunch menu we had in the 1970's before the obesity crisis even existed because clearly what we have been doing for the last 20 years is not helping.


It's nice to be on the same side of something. :)

Yep this school lunch thing is a textbook example of what Libertarians talk about.

a) some people are fat
b) rather than just regulate the fat people, because that isn't pc, government decides to make EVERYONE go hungry

result: fewer fat people, but now a hunger crisis, yet socialist government claims a healthy eating success.

Also: libertarians talk about why local control is important, because you can't run things right and respond to problems fast enough, from a central committee in Washington. That turned out to be the case, with this lunch program.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 11:01:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')reston what are you going on about now, I can not follow the logic tying your posts together into a coherent thought..

You may want to see a neurologist about that. I'm starting to think that most of the short tempered people on line have actual cognitive problems, and the moment someone pushes back they overload their ability to process information. Then they go into that weird spaz victory dance you're doing. This also explains the popularity of internet conspiracy theories since they eliminate the need for reasoning or processing new information.


Oh I dunno about that Preston, I tend to be one of the most even tempered people you will ever meet in real life. What victory dance am I doing exactly? I told you where I stand on the school lunch issue and asked you to clarify your position. I offered you new information (what would Tanada do) and I asked for your idea of What Would Preston do. Is it really that difficult for you to state your solution in simple words we poor unenlightened readers on Peakoil.com can understand? Please Preston, come down to our level and explain it to us?
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 11:42:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') tend to be one of the most even tempered people you will ever meet in real life.


Yep, those are the kind to really watch out for.
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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 19 Apr 2015, 12:35:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') tend to be one of the most even tempered people you will ever meet in real life.


Yep, those are the kind to really watch out for.


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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 20 Apr 2015, 02:54:46

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Re: Michele Obama's healthy school lunches, fish with scales

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 20 Apr 2015, 13:17:22

Just bouncing around the internet, without looking I found multiple examples of people doing their little emotional rants and as soon as someone pushed back they say "I don't know what you're talking about, that doesn't make any sense." It's really interesting when people do identical things because it means the behavior is so primitive that it's hardwired into the brain, and it remains visible because it never got replaced with a more productive learned behavior. I also notice that people are increasingly labeling that as passive-aggressive and blowing them off.
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