by careinke » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 02:28:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou sure have drunk the FOX cool-aide. Thinking you are going to revolutionize regulatory reform blah blah blah by privatizing government. That's all about giving up your rights to the wealthy. Have at it. I am not interested.
First, of all I don't even receive Fox News. Second, I have no illusions that anything will change until people like you bring the system crashing down. Third, it seems liberals are more interested in stealing my rights than the wealthy (unless you count the Kennedy's, Clinton's, Obama's etc.).
I'm sorry you are unable to understand simple math. I'm even sorrier that your BAU policies will kill billions more than necessary. Societies collapse from excess complexity, over consumption, and overpopulation yet you advocate for all three.
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by the48thronin » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 02:39:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Luliang County Heping Chemical Plant in Qujing City attracted media attention recently after it had piped 5,000 tons of chromium tailings near a local reservoir that feeds one of China's largest rivers.
People can contract lung cancer when inhaling compounds that contain chromium, while chromium in drinking water can also cause cancers.
Xinglong Village, the name means prosperous, near the plant is now more widely known as "Cancer Village," because 14 people had suffered from cancers in the past 10 years according to officials, although villagers claim the number is far higher, CCTV reported.
Some late-stage lung cancer patients were following a traditional folk remedy by eating more than 50 bedbugs every day in an effort to relieve the illness, CCTV said.
The plant, built around 2000, set up a yard to hold chromium slag about two kilometers from the village. The pile was about 80 centimeters tall and surrounded by a brick wall. No tree or grass could be seen near the pile, CCTV said.
"An increasing number of villagers caught cancers, including intestinal, lung and liver, after the plant was built near the village," CCTV quoted a villager as saying.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=480181China's system doesn't work either....hmm
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by careinke » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 03:13:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frankyh', 'O')r the state can prosecute those responsible for punitive damages and make an example of them.
Oh no, they need to make another criminal law, that will stop them, hang a company or throw the company in jail, that will fix it, just ask P.
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by careinke » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 13:37:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'L')awyers and injury lawsuits are better than regulation and the rule of law?
Now I've heard it all.
So what is your suggestion? Or do you think the system is stable? You Libs are big on criticism, but woefully short on solutions that make mathematical sense.
Seriously, I am all ears.
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by careinke » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 13:56:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'L')awyers and injury lawsuits are better than regulation and the rule of law?
Now I've heard it all.
So what is your suggestion? Or do you think the system is stable? You Libs are big on criticism, but woefully short on solutions that make mathematical sense.
Seriously, I am all ears.
Solutions? Enforce and strengthen present laws.
Well, that is a comprehensive plan. How do you purpose to pay for even maintaining the present level much less increasing it?
by Pops » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 16:12:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'L')awyers and injury lawsuits are better than regulation and the rule of law?
Now I've heard it all.
So what is your suggestion? Or do you think the system is stable? You Libs are big on criticism, but woefully short on solutions that make mathematical sense.
Seriously, I am all ears.
No I don't think you're serious at all careinke.
Explain to me how eliminating the rules that forced industry and business to stop polluting and cleaned up the air and water back in the '70s will lead to cleaner air and water? Do you really think "libs" made up things like acid rain, air & water pollution to take away your freedoms? Crimeny, what planet do you live on?
Weren't you just ragging on me because you thought I was defending industrial agriculture? Industrial ag is the epitome of unconstrained pillaging of the "commons" - isn't that obvious to you? Do you seriously think contract growers renting a plot of ground give a crap about being sued? Do you detect even a small amount of discord in your rhetoric when you would eliminate any constraints on exploiting the one thing that's most important to our kids? And I ain't talking about your money.
You poo-pooed me because you "have seen the deserts in Eqypt (or somewhere)" - why don't you tell me about how successful was their lack of environmental regulation and their go at society without law?
I don't know about where you live but when I was a kid the skys over the central valley of CA were a brown haze - just to take one example, and we were nowhere near a large city. Today there has been an amazing improvement in air and water quality yet even in Communist California half the muni wells are condemned in the valley and the other half all have elevated nitrate levels. Even with CAs onerous environmental regs it's hard to stop farmers from dousing crops with nitrogen fertiliser till it fills every well.
Yet you are going to tell me a class action lawsuit is going to eliminate the over-application?
Blue Baby deaths are still happening to field workers, why isn't anyone suing them now?
And low and behold, dairies are moving out of state because to be profitable they cannot afford to
not contaminate the groundwater - so they move to states with little or no regs - so they can. Is that your idea of Freedom? I'm sure you'd be happy to celebrate the freedom of one moving in next door and start milking a thousand or two with no regulation to stop them from polluting your field and well
So is that your vision? A land of "freedom" for the powerful where your neighbor is free to do exactly as much tromping on his neighbors and the next generation's inheritance as he's big enough - and the bigger he is of course the better, because in your system it's not about rule of law, it's utterly and completely about money and power.
I really can't get over how easy it's been for the big guys to hold the blade to our necks and convince us turn our head by saying: "Hey, look over there at those liberals!"
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