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Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby StormBringer » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 14:15:43

Ive been pondering the recession and I have some idea's to bounce off of you.

Have you ever thought to look a little deeper into the current events. You can see the strings, the puppet is putting on a show.

Is it possible that all of this is just an compilation of smoke and mirrors. let me explain.

First we had an unsustainable entitlement programs, and credit was out of control. Not to mention Russia was getting to powerful with the oil money inflow. And China was getting rich selling the U.S. cheap goods below prices domestic manufactures could match, killing job growth.

Second we had the oil prices going up at a unprecedented rate.

Third we had the banking collapse.....Banks in trouble for bad loans right but what bank has actually been allowed to go under?

Fourth you had the housing bubble collapse.....Truthfully a correction of over value.

Now consider this......How do you take entitlements from a people without causing a public outcry.....You have to have a "CAUSE" to blame it on.

Now consider what if the Banking collapse was orchestrated and the bail out is actually compensation for losses, for their cooperation in this. After all they aren't loaning any money and no- one is doing anything about it. So this would accomplish two things Fix the credit problems and create the setting for global downturn (correction) of the markets. This would and did effect the price of Oil, And correct the housing market at the same time.

Now with the present economy it becomes easier to take entitlements that are unsustainable from the people and you have your escape goat.

And because of China's economic collapse, supply problems are forcing the U.S. stores to switch more and more to American made products, which will promote jobs, and lessen money outflow.

After the changes have been made the congress passes a loan mandate for the banks that received so called bail out money and suddenly they are hero's .......everyone is happy and the immediate boost to the economy will slingshot the U.S. and British economies back up while leaving other nations Russia, China, Japan, and the Arab nations, still crippled from prolonged recession.

After the boost to the U.S. economy. Manufacturing and deportation of American and British goods would flourish. The dollar and the pound would sky rocket in value and the National debt which is based on the exchange rate would be proportionately effected. Making it payable. And Putting America and Britain on top of the global economy again.

Just A thought to ponder........................................................

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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby StormBringer » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 14:37:02

It was just a thought, And if you slow down long enough to look at it with an open mind a very plausible one at that.

My intent is to make everyone actually think. I hear too often how stupid people think our government is and I believe they are much smarter than we give them credit. It takes a very smart person to make you think they are to dumb to pull the wool over John Q Public's eyes.
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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 15:03:10

What "British and American goods"?

What "economy"?
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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby StormBringer » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 15:11:52

Come now Ludi surely your pessimism doesn't run that deep......lol

We have and economy based on agriculture and it used to have strong manufacturing components as well and if you consider what I wrote It would again.

Come on I know people get tired of all the tin foilers but I'm not one of them. Just think about it honestly........

What does a second term unpopular president have to lose by such a sceam..........NOTHING........Not to mention he has been by most accounts, less than forthright with his motivations before now hasn't he?


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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 15:19:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StormBringer', '
')We have and economy based on agriculture


1-2% of our population make their living practicing agriculture.

Bush did what he did throughout his 2 terms to benefit his base - the Haves and the Have Mores.

They could give a rat's ass about any manufacturing economy of the future US. They have their goodies and they will be fine.

The rest of us can go pound sand.

Any "conspiracy" was purely to funnel more money and resources into the hands of the Haves and Have Mores.

Period.
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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby StormBringer » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 15:32:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StormBringer', '
')We have and economy based on agriculture


1-2% of our population make their living practicing agriculture.

Bush did what he did throughout his 2 terms to benefit his base - the Haves and the Have Mores.

They could give a rat's ass about any manufacturing economy of the future US. They have their goodies and they will be fine.

The rest of us can go pound sand.

Any "conspiracy" was purely to funnel more money and resources into the hands of the Haves and Have Mores.

Period.


Which is exactly my point...............................................................

The big banks got the bail out, the car companies got the bail out. And where do you think that money actually went to the rich, the executives. And after the changes take the pre designed path, who is going to gain the most. THE RICH. But in the process following Bush's trickle down thinking jobs will be created.

Second as far as your point on Agriculture. You are 100% right. And it is unsustainable for future growth. We have to invest in manufacturing and infrastructure to boost the economy and what is all the talk about in Washington right now.....exactly that.

And what good is manufacturing if no one is buying it so you have to change the mindset of the consumer and make oversea supply hard to get and more costly to use.

Although you bring very valid points, It actually only strengthens my theory. How else can you possibly fix all of the problems we have for the long term without drastic and unpopular changes????

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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 17:06:19

Just another thought to ponder huh?

No I doubt it, another thought to ponder which explains away the stupidity and arrogance you actually are percieving. Its a simple and outlandish explanation which brings you back to where we were and continues the paradigm. A Conspiracy theory to explain what your seeing and shortly carry away all the bad news. Sorry, not this time.

The more realistic and likely scenario is that our hubris, arrogance, and greed have brought down the house. The collapse hasnt really reached the catastrophic phase yet, but it will. Wishing and hoping for some grand CT to make it all go away is just plain sily. Its burrying your head in the sand.

Its no Illuminatti, no tri-lateral commission, no Bildergerger plan at work. Its simply the failings of humanity with too much power and no checks to that power. There wont be any happy ending resulting in "America and Britain on top of the global economy again".

Good luck with that.
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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby hardtootell » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 17:42:36

I kinda agree with AP on this.

It's true that greed and less than wholesome motives can be a catalyst to start the ball rolling, a system out of balance tends to right itself or self destruct.

A lot of times things look like a malevolent hand at work but real life experiences show that INCOMPETENCE is far more common than people seem to realize- esp at higher levels- IMHO
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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby efarmer » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 17:45:08

Ignorant, greedy, and stubborn people do not stop until
they hurt themselves, they then wrap themselves in cloaks
of conspiracy and crave sympathy while they heal up.

Folks like us, can knock these phonies off from a mile away,
suffering the real conspirators who swoop down on our
innocent lives to savage and plunder us without mercy.

Between listening to the whines and begging of the phonies,
and the brutal bouts of my victimization at the hands of the true
conspirators, that dog and bedevil me, I often feel like just giving
in and quitting, but then I realize I am onto a sweet little
wrinkle, and if nobody finds out and horns in on me, I just
might win really big and have it made.


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Re: Just take a moment and consider

Unread postby oddone » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 22:45:14

Whatever happens to the economy; US, UK and the rest of "friendlies" have their military might intact.

On the other hand, Russian and Chinese military budget expansion running at 20% increase /year will come to a halt...

It is a long stretch to conclude the economy collapse is by design, but if it would collapse sooner or later regardless, why not engineer it?
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