[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'H')ow do I "miss the plot" ? I see where it all starts. Was not always this way. The top of the pyramid has a gift economy, cares nothing about formal laws - and does not allow the bottom to adopt these things. It is true that if all laws and police would disappear we would be more like Somalia than the Sioux. So there is kind of nothing to do except inform people.

[paimei01]

Look around you, I see tribal organizations forming everywhere. Children - before school comes in, form incipient tribes.Gift economy. When someone gets a job because he knows someone - that is a tribal thing. And it's good. When we all get jobs because we know somebody and we all pretend to be working, it will be perfect.

How to solve the "who will work for food, because we can't all go hunting" and how to distribute the land ? I wrote a thread here:
http://peakoil.com/open/work-for-all-why-t52455.html

Based on this :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/us.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')griculture: 1.2%
industry: 19.6%
services: 79.2% (2008 est.)

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'L')ook around you, I see tribal organizations forming everywhere. Children - before school comes in, form incipient tribes.Gift economy. When someone gets a job because he knows someone - that is a tribal thing. And it's good. When we all get jobs because we know somebody and we all pretend to be working, it will be perfect.

How to solve the "who will work for food, because we can't all go hunting" and how to distribute the land ? I wrote a thread here. Based on this :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/us.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')griculture: 1.2%
industry: 19.6%
services: 79.2% (2008 est.)

[paimei01]

Your idea that we "evolved" as a society from some dark and violent past is wrong. Violence was never inside a tribe. No boss , no "killing each other for food and women". No "Caveman". Violence was always towards the outside. And nobody was like Hannibal Lecter. Why did the Sioux invented the "coup stick" ? See the remaining tribes of today. And only some people were cannibals. See my blog, see all the books I linked there. We are "cavemen" and "savages". We kill using bombs dropped from airplanes. What a stupid thing to go and hit your enemy with a stick.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'W')hat a stupid thing to go and hit your enemy with a stick.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'Y')our idea that we "evolved" as a society from some dark and violent past is wrong. Violence was never inside a tribe. No boss , no "killing each other for food and women". No "Caveman". Violence was always towards the outside. And nobody was like Hannibal Lecter. Why did the Sioux invented the "coup stick" ? See the remaining tribes of today. And only some people were cannibals. See my blog, see all the books I linked there. We are "cavemen" and "savages". We kill using bombs dropped from airplanes. What a stupid thing to go and hit your enemy with a stick.

[paimei01]

Nobody gave orders in a tribe. Not even today. Don't want to go to war ? Nobody forces you. No court martial. Because everyone values his own freedom and does not interfere in your freedom knowing that he wants nobody to interfere in his.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'N')obody gave orders in a tribe. Not even today. Don't want to go to war ? Nobody forces you. No court martial. Because everyone values his own freedom and does not interfere in your freedom knowing that he wants nobody to interfere in his.

[paimei01]

How did they live ? The ones you saw.
No need to copy all the customs of all the tribes on Earth.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'H')ow did they live ? The ones you saw.
No need to copy all the customs of all the tribes on Earth.

[paimei01]

From what I read in Wikipedia, the Zulu are no longer a tribe or a confederation of tribes since 1800 when king Shaka appeared.

[paimei01]

"Why is it that the pirate has, and always has had, a certain lurid glamour of the heroical enveloping him round about? Is there, deep under the accumulated debris of culture, a hidden groundwork of the old-time savage? Is there even in these well-regulated times an unsubdued nature in the respectable mental household of every one of us that still kicks against the pricks of law and order? To make my meaning more clear, would not every boy, for instance—that is, every boy of any account—rather be a pirate captain than a Member of Parliament? And we ourselves—would we not rather read such a story as that of Captain Avery's capture of the East Indian treasure ship, with its beautiful princess and load of jewels (which gems he sold by the handful, history sayeth, to a Bristol merchant), than, say, one of Bishop Atterbury's sermons, or the goodly Master Robert Boyle's religious romance of "Theodora and Didymus"? "

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/973/973-h/973-h.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', '[')i]"Why is it that the pirate has, and always has had, a certain lurid glamour of the heroical enveloping him round about?"

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', '[')i]"Why is it that the pirate has, and always has had, a certain lurid glamour of the heroical enveloping him round about?"