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Postby Keith_McClary » Fri 25 Mar 2005, 02:31:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', 'T')here was an article a few months ago stating that there are 1.1 billion overweight people on earth. That is significant because it exceeds the number starving. There have also been numerous articles on how obesity has risen in Europe including one very recent article stating that European countries have been undereporting the problem. Even if all Americans were in this 1.1 billion who makes up the other 800 million?

Fat Europe

Damn, and I thought the U.S. had a lock on the breeding of land whales. :razz:

Animportant scientific paper has proved that the concentration of all this fatness on one side of the Earth has displaced its centre of gravity, causing precession of the North Pole and disruption of the Earth's magnetic field, leading to extreme climate events and sea level changes.
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Postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 25 Mar 2005, 17:41:48

Americans:

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Postby alpha480v » Fri 25 Mar 2005, 20:24:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')What a wonderfull long post that still doesn't prove that all Americans,every single one in the US,is fat ,like the other poster claims.Show me where every single American is fat.Thats what the point is here.


You're right. Are you happy? Not all Americans are fat.

The real pissed off American fatties are the ones that people call lazy when in reality its their lifestyle and job that is chunkifying them. For example, an American desk jocky might work hard and feel 'productive' yet appear fat (and unfairly, lazy). Its just so complicated! Who is and who is not genuinely lazy cannot be determined by fat alone.

One things for sure though, people are generally overweight. The American Diet could be said to be generally poor as well, seeing as how we're world leaders in high blood pressure, heart disease, and other food-associated cancers and ailments, including diabetes....


This I will agree with you on.People are generally overweight,and the average American diet leaves something to be desired.But there are many Americans,myself included,who are in shape,and eat very good diets.I don't understand how people can afford the fast food diet on a daily basis,that stuffs not only unhealthy,but it's expensive!
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Postby Keith_McClary » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 02:57:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '[')size=200]Americans:

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Get out your ruler and check out the width to height ratios on these guys.
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Postby BlisteredWhippet » Sat 26 Mar 2005, 17:33:11

I think, getting back to the topic of people being jealous of America...

Its a stupid idea- that foreigners are jealous of America. Yes, there are hundreds of Mexicans willing to swim across the Rio Grande, filled with raw sewage and waste, to get here and find well-paying jobs. But isn't this just economic desperation? What is jealousy, after all, but simple vanity? Vanity is not enough to get people to swim across a river of human sewage.

To be sure, there are cultural esthetes the world over clinging to vaguely nationalistic notions of the superiority of their culture. American vs. French esthetes, for example. But the vast majority of people are not cultural esthetes. The majority are poor, and practical. Their awareness of actual American cultural values is quite simply distorted because their primary impression of such comes from agents of manufactured taste, i.e. American consumer products and the Entertainment industry.

To say that poor people of limited means might aspire to own 2 cars per family, have air-conditioning, and disposable income does not imply that they are jealous, just pragmatic. Many of the aspiring consumers in the world appreciate this. They aren't "jealous" of America at all. They don't want to move here or adopt our cultural or political values.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby AdamB » Mon 25 Aug 2025, 15:47:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') think thats really what it is.


Seems reasonable. We've got this parrot foreigner running around the place, and they (not sure if its a he parrot or not, it pretends to be while displacing signs of absolute balllessness) are so jealous about America it is all they can talk about.

Weird.
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Postby AgentR11 » Tue 26 Aug 2025, 04:28:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'T')he U.S. is a debt-ridden oil junkie waving guns at everybody and threatening to invade countries unilaterally and torture and kill their residents in a bid to steal petroleum.

This is a country that's lost its mind. The world would do well to put it out of its misery and hope that a democratic republic emerges from the rubble.


20 years on... and the only thing that has changed is the scale of the debt, guns, and franticness of the behavior. We're still a democratic republic, we spin on a dime, a few months ago, the hard left was in charge, so the righties thought democracy was dead; now the hard right is in charge, and the lefties think democracy is dead. No its not dead, when you win, you win, when you lose, you lose; its no big deal really, its still democracy.

As to stealing petroleum, it seems right now we're trying to suppress supply and drive up price; and make sure its bought and sold in dollars. for the most part.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby Newfie » Wed 27 Aug 2025, 19:42:51

Well, it has been on pretty thin ice for a very long time. Pretty much every one in charge is fighting to stay in charge. I think the big difference between Hillary and Donald is that Hillary would have been much more effective at doing what Donald now wants to do than Donald is at doing it. She had the political and support structure in place, Donald not so much.

Trying (pretty hard) to see the upside, we dodged a bullet by having Hillary loose. And we may have dodged a bullet this time because Trump is by now so demented and delusional that his efforts will collapse around him. People want to compare him to Hitler but that is a poor comparison. Hitler worked for decades building his loyal cadre that was pretty effective at running the machine. Trump is a lone wolf from the start who has a bunch of “personalities” trying to do grown ups jobs. His “machine” is hastily thrown together and not at all cohesive. He may want to be a Hitler, he is more like a Nero.

One should remember the vast majority of Roman Emperors were seated by the Pretorian Guard, and an equal number were murdered by them.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 21:44:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '.')...we may have dodged a bullet this time because Trump is by now so demented and delusional that his efforts will collapse around him. People want to compare him to Hitler but that is a poor comparison. Hitler worked for decades building his loyal cadre that was pretty effective at running the machine. Trump is a lone wolf from the start who has a bunch of “personalities” trying to do grown ups jobs. His “machine” is hastily thrown together and not at all cohesive. He may want to be a Hitler, he is more like a Nero.

One should remember the vast majority of Roman Emperors were seated by the Pretorian Guard, and an equal number were murdered by them.


Are you suggesting that in the future the US military will copy the Imperial Roman Pretorian Guard and depose Trump or do him harm?

Personally I see no sign of that happening. If anything, the military seems to be strongly backing Trump as shown by the fact that they are effectively carrying out his commands on unpopular things like sending troops into Washington DC and other crime-ridden big cities, bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities, stopping and starting aid to Ukraine, and just today the US navy blew up a supposed Venezuelan drug running boat, all just as Trump commanded.

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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby AdamB » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 22:38:44

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Are you suggesting that in the future the US military will copy the Imperial Roman Pretorian Guard and depose Trump or do him harm?

Personally I see no sign of that happening. If anything, the military seems to be strongly backing Trump as shown by the fact that they are effectively carrying out his commands on unpopular things like sending troops into Washington DC and other crime-ridden big cities, bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities, stopping and starting aid to Ukraine, and just today the US navy blew up a supposed Venezuelan drug running boat, all just as Trump commanded.

Cheers!


Military folks are certainly taught to obey orders, as anyone who has ever heard of the Wehrmacht can attest.

As far as crime ridden big cities, I didn't notice Trump sending troops to the St Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit and Memphis? So...maybe it isn't about being crime ridden but....well...favorite places where his supporters tried to sack the place? When he choose to NOT provide extra support for the poor citizens of DC as a murderous mob took over the place at his behest.

I don't get stopping and starting aid to Ukraine, didn't he say he would end the war on Day 1 in office? Oh well, you really can't expect convicted felons to tell the truth.

As far as blowing up Venezuelan boats and what might, or might not have been on them, we'll need the evidence from maybe the military as opposed to convicted felons who, as of late, seem to be medically and mentally challenged in some strange ways?

Are the rumours of him having a stroke and hiding it true do you think?

Nice to see you stopping in Plant! How is the roadside geology(?) book of Alaska coming along? Is your husband retired? Hope he made it out in time, it would be a shame if he lost his job during all the forced cutbacks and whatnot of worthless government employees and all.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby AgentR11 » Wed 03 Sep 2025, 21:17:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')re you suggesting that in the future the US military will copy the Imperial Roman Pretorian Guard and depose Trump or do him harm?


I worry more about them being a copy of the Pretorian Guard and anointing him president for life.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 03 Sep 2025, 23:16:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')I worry .... about them being a copy of the Pretorian Guard and anointing him president for life.


I don't worry about that at all. I think the Military, like the rest of the US, can't wait for the day that trump leaves office for good.

And when Trumps second term ends in 2028, I think Trump will leave office just the way Trump left office in 2020 after he lost the election to Biden.

Personally, I just don't get all the hysteria over Trump. Sure Trump is an egomaniac but frankly I was more worried during the Biden years---- for instance, since being elected in 2024 Trump has obeyed every single court order, from every level of court. Trump complains loudly, but when you look at his actions he obeys the court orders. in strong contrast Biden (or whoever was running things during his term) just ignored the courts. For instance Biden did his best to ignore and circumvent the Supreme Court's ruling that he acted unconstitutionally when he personally forgave hundreds of billions of dollars of student loan debt to the federal government. Biden basically tried to divert hundreds of billions of dollars that was owed to US taxpayers----now IMHO that kind of crazy unconstitutional activity is what is really worrisome.

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Postby Newfie » Fri 05 Sep 2025, 19:33:26

Hello Plant, long time bo see. I hope all is well.

When I spoke of the Pretorian Guard I was speaking of the folks who surround Trump, his loyal staff and compatriots, not the military.

The Pretorian Guard where there to protect the Emperor, as are the hand picked loyalist surrounding Trump.

The military, especially the National Guard, are just average Americans with a side gig. Overall their politics must pretty closely match the general populace. Sure there will be some gung-ho types but not on average.

Anyway, that is how I imagine it to be. Carinke might know better.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby AdamB » Sat 06 Sep 2025, 15:16:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Personally, I just don't get all the hysteria over Trump.
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I agree. What did folks expect a convicted felon to act like....normal folk? Certainly women need to be concerned if they get within groping range, but hysteria? Nah. Just be able to walk faster than the average dementia addled geriatric and a female should be safe enough.

You aren't worried about being his type are you Plant?
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Postby theluckycountry » Sat 27 Sep 2025, 20:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') think thats really what it is. The rest of the world is jealous of Americas might and power, and the only way they can express themselves is with anger and hatred at our obvious success.
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What a difference 20 years can make hey. But no Specop, those were never the reasons, the reasons were the same as why the British Empire was roundly hated. It pushed it's culture into nations that didn't want it. It went around the globe exploiting poorer nations. That's how it got so wealthy of course. The US once had a lot of natural wealth too, but much of it's gone now, and the population has bred like mice so the drain on what's left is worse.

Today: Today we pity you, your nation is an unbridled mess of political Hatred, poverty, and now the emergence of what is essentially martial law. Billionaires flaunt their wealth in your faces as they cavort with politicians. Meanwhile you try to live some sort of a normal life among the homeless camps, violent gangs, and the thousands of nutcases marching into schools and stores and other public spaces to execute their brand of Woke justice at the trigger of a semiautomatic rifle. Jealous? Have you forgotten what it's like to live in a decent country... Or perhaps you never experienced it?
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Postby theluckycountry » Tue 30 Sep 2025, 03:40:27

Where Are The Poor In America?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica loves to tally its billionaires and track the S&P’s every tick, but the millions struggling to cover rent or stock the fridge rarely make the headline scroll. Poverty is the country’s most persistent invisibility cloak, present in every zip code, yet ignored in a culture that equates success with worth. In this chart Visual Capitalist's Pallavi Rao breaks down where the poor in America actually live, ranked by each state.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/where- ... y-poverty/

In america, if you don't have money, you don't exist.
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Re: Its too bad the rest of the world is jealous of America

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 01 Oct 2025, 03:44:17

The Vanishing American Dream: Why Young Adults Can't Afford Homes, Families, Or Stability
https://internationalman.com/articles/t ... stability/

From over 50% to barely 10%. A pathetic indictment on the American system.


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Postby mousepad » Wed 08 Oct 2025, 07:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')From over 50% to barely 10%. A pathetic indictment on the American system.


Hardly. US population in 1950 was 150M. Today it's 350M. But available land didn't increase. As with everything, if demand increases but supply doesn't, prices go up. Add into that the additional environmental regulations and building codes, and you get more expensive housing. Look no further than highly populated europe. Everybody is crammed into apartments for a reason. And in the same way, the US will transform itself from a nation of owners to a nation of renters. Growing your population by endlessly importing 3rd world has real consequences. The poor can't afford to buy anymore, the rich frolic as their real-estate investments shoot up in value.
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Postby theluckycountry » Wed 08 Oct 2025, 19:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')From over 50% to barely 10%. A pathetic indictment on the American system.
... But available land didn't increase. As with everything, if demand increases but supply doesn't, prices go up.



Pretty BS retort mp. Are you saying there is No land left to build on? Of course there is, Urban areas accounted for only 3 percent of U.S. land in 2024.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/20 ... griculture

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')bout 29 percent of the U.S. land area was (2017) grassland pasture and range, 28 percent was forest-use land, and 17 percent was cropland

You think a glazier wouldn't sell off a few paddocks if there was a developer willing to pay? It happens here all the time, because the people here can afford to buy the land.

But you did make my case I must admit.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dd into that the additional environmental regulations and building codes, and you get more expensive housing.

So land has gone up, but wages haven't, ergo; The Vanishing American Dream: Why Young Adults Can't Afford Homes, Families, Or Stability
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Postby mousepad » Thu 09 Oct 2025, 07:24:04

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So land has gone up, but wages haven't, ergo; The Vanishing American Dream: Why Young Adults Can't Afford Homes, Families, Or Stability


EXACTLY!. Interesting enough the article you pointed to never mentions this. It's all about college debt, low wages, cultural changes and such.

I for one am glad this is the case. There's already way too much urban sprawl in the US. It's about time it changes.
California strangles it's growth with shit loads of crazy regulations. South West in general is running out of water, and in many other places people actively resist to more sprawl. I applaud all of that.
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