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Man aggresses not only out of frustration and fear but out of joy, plenitude, love of life. Men kill lavishly out of the sublime joy of heroic triumph over evil... Most men will not usually kill unless it is under the banner of some kind of fight against evil...I think it is time for social scientists to catch up with Hitler as a psychologist, and to realize that men will do anything for heroic belonging to a victorious cause if they are persuaded about the legitimacy of that cause.
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It was a good feeling
It was a good feeling
by Angry_Chimp » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 00:37:16
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Re: It was a good feeling
by AirlinePilot » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 01:11:45
I think the average human who has watched many of his comrades in arms die or be maimed by hidden devices placed by cowardly adversaries would react pretty much just as this young man does.
It doesn't matter what banner it's under really. Mankind is still very much an animal. There is nothing which justifies it, it just is.
"Men kill lavishly out of the sublime joy of heroic triumph over evil..."
Some do, some. The majority of men, no make that humans, do not.
It doesn't matter what banner it's under really. Mankind is still very much an animal. There is nothing which justifies it, it just is.
"Men kill lavishly out of the sublime joy of heroic triumph over evil..."
Some do, some. The majority of men, no make that humans, do not.
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Re: It was a good feeling
by jboogy » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 01:57:50
We are highly devoloped apes, no more or less, chimpanzees go to war and kill other chimps for no obvious reason. It takes little persuasion for one to convince his comrade that those of a different tribe need to be killed, this stuff is hardwired into the primitive reptilian part of the human brain, some have either been able to suppress it or it has been bred out thru successive generations of forebears predisposed to pacifism. Why do you think so many Americans embraced the flimsy justification for war with Iraq? They either knew or strongly suspected that this invasion wasn't about WMD's and potential threats to the U.S., still they refused to hear, and shut their eyes to the evidence, because deep down they wanted to be able to turn on the television and revel in OUR guys kickin' the shit out of some other guys. Rah, rah , sis boom bah!
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Re: It was a good feeling
by Angry_Chimp » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 08:14:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I') think the average human who has watched many of his comrades in arms die or be maimed by hidden devices placed by cowardly adversaries would react pretty much just as this young man does.
The psychodynamics of the television cartoon or comic book are marvelously simple: children identify with the good guy so that they can think of themselves as good. This enables them to project onto the bad guy their own repressed anger, violence, rebelliousness, or lust, and then vicariously enjoy their own evil by watching the bad guy initially prevail. (This segment of the show actually consumes all but the closing minutes, and thus allows ample time for indulging the dark side of the self.) When the good guy finally wins, the viewers are then able to reassert control over their own inner tendencies, repress them, and reestablish a sense of goodness. Salvation is guaranteed through identification with the hero.
Once children are indoctrinated into the expectations of a domination society, they may never outgrow the need to locate all evil outside themselves. Even as adults they tend to scapegoat others (the Commies, the Americans, the gays, the straights, the blacks, the whites) for all that is wrong in the world.
~Walter Wink
Isn't the Iraq debacle almost like a cartoon or comic book? The Evil-doers have been portrayed as kicking our ass over the last four years now the good guys surge in and save the day. CUT!!
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Re: It was a good feeling
by Angry_Chimp » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 08:44:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I') think the average human who has watched many of his comrades in arms die or be maimed by hidden devices placed by cowardly adversaries would react pretty much just as this young man does.
It's interesting how a people protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion and occupation are “cowardly adversaries”. The smart bomb dropping "sorry for that collateral damage" people are heroes. Yes let’s triumph over these “evil-doers” so we may bolster our self esteem!!!
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Re: It was a good feeling
by mos6507 » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 09:14:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')It's interesting how a people protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion and occupation are “cowardly adversaries”. The smart bomb dropping "sorry for that collateral damage" people are heroes. Yes let’s triumph over these “evil-doers” so we may bolster our self esteem!!!
')It's interesting how a people protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion and occupation are “cowardly adversaries”. The smart bomb dropping "sorry for that collateral damage" people are heroes. Yes let’s triumph over these “evil-doers” so we may bolster our self esteem!!!
The insurgents in no way shape or form have moral superiority in Iraq. The only thing the insurgents are seeking to protect is power for their sect, with the US largely stuck in the middle like some damn referree. In the meantime, the country collectively goes to hell in a handbasket. With the US gone, there would be no more cover of "protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion" and the internal forces which are perpetuating the fighting would become ever clearer to the world.
Still, I'm sure if the US leaves and the ethnic cleansing proceeds to Rwanda-style levels, the US will still be blamed, and not those who are gleefully conducting the killings. After all, we wouldn't actually expect any human decency, any individual accountability, right? They are merely wind up dolls for which every bad action traces itself to the big bad US.
Why don't you take those guns you so proudly display in your avatar image over to Iraq and put your money where your mouth is?
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Re: It was a good feeling
by Angry_Chimp » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 12:26:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')It's interesting how a people protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion and occupation are “cowardly adversaries”. The smart bomb dropping "sorry for that collateral damage" people are heroes. Yes let’s triumph over these “evil-doers” so we may bolster our self esteem!!!
')It's interesting how a people protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion and occupation are “cowardly adversaries”. The smart bomb dropping "sorry for that collateral damage" people are heroes. Yes let’s triumph over these “evil-doers” so we may bolster our self esteem!!!
The insurgents in no way shape or form have moral superiority in Iraq. The only thing the insurgents are seeking to protect is power for their sect, with the US largely stuck in the middle like some damn referree. In the meantime, the country collectively goes to hell in a handbasket. With the US gone, there would be no more cover of "protecting their country and culture from foreign invasion" and the internal forces which are perpetuating the fighting would become ever clearer to the world.
Still, I'm sure if the US leaves and the ethnic cleansing proceeds to Rwanda-style levels, the US will still be blamed, and not those who are gleefully conducting the killings. After all, we wouldn't actually expect any human decency, any individual accountability, right? They are merely wind up dolls for which every bad action traces itself to the big bad US.
Why don't you take those guns you so proudly display in your avatar image over to Iraq and put your money where your mouth is?
If they want to kill each other so be it. I don't give a rat’s ass how many men, children, women, babies, cats or dogs die or get killed over there in that shit hole of a country including Amerikans. If they are dumb enough to fight for this dump of a country in imperial wars they get what they have coming. At lest they can get some shiny new fucking trinkets pinned on their lifeless chest before their dead asses are dumped in the ground. Makes it much easier on Mom to know her son[s] died for shinny new trinkets and red white and blue rags. When you can unwrap yourself from that flag maybe you will see the world in a different light you leaky piss bag.
“Why don't you take those guns you so proudly display in your avatar image over to Iraq and put your money where your mouth is?”
Now this is classic. Like I’m going to go fight in this imperial war and kill people that have done nothing to me because I own firearms. Just do it because good old Uncle Sam says so. LOL that takes the cake. I think it’s great that the young kid shot and killed an Iraqi and loves it and wants to do it again. Good for him. Get ten more Daddy will be proud he killed the bad guys and now his son is a hero. It’s what we as humans do; and do so well.
Well old Uncle Sam said its time to do some killing so I’m up for it. I hope you fought for this country because I would piss on your flag right in front of you while wiping my ass with the constitution straight from the National Archives. Have a good day friend.
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