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It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for free?

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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 10 May 2012, 20:08:05

To risk his and other people's necks, by the looks? How much do they spend insuring him? Is it for a set period and does it include all expenses?
Has he read the fine print?
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 10 May 2012, 20:54:05

An uncle of mine has been a GP for about 30 years. He volunteered on an Everest mission as team doctor, during which 4 people died, but 3 more were pulled out alive. His experience (after waiting 7 years on the waiting list) led to a position as team Doctor for the Australian Antarctic mission 6 months a year. Of course he is on big biccies and loves his job.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 10 May 2012, 22:26:11

Get used to it. IN the post-crash era, we'll all be wiping shit-crusted bums.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby bochen280 » Fri 11 May 2012, 09:41:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'G')et used to it. IN the post-crash era, we'll all be wiping shit-crusted bums.



Somehow I doubt it will ever get that bad (and it is not because I'm an optimist) When it does shift bad, it gonna get very much more badder than that kind of bad. The same reason we will never see $10/gal gas or $300 barrel oil.... We will be hanging on the precipice of the Olduvai Gorge plateau until everything implodes supernova style... Dreams of a long mediocracy of "wiping shit-crusted bums" and "living a life of great depression hardship" are about as realistic as 'prepping' for TEOTWAWKI and trying to become "sustainable" living as the world goes to hell in a hand-basket.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 11 May 2012, 16:46:21

Believe me as one who works in the sector, when it gets 'that bad' you will get the sack for letting the shit crust.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby misterno » Sun 03 Jun 2012, 16:14:18

I am the one who started this topic. So my wife is still looking for a job. Last thing that she did was to apply to restaurants and be a greeter at the door. This is the only choice she had left apart from waiting to hear from previous applications.
Even for the greeter job which is probably the one of the lowest jobs you can find in US, she has gotten the response either to wait till there a position available or that her English is not adequate.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 03 Jun 2012, 16:31:38

So how long before wiping bums for minimum starts looking acceptable? I gather Mrs No doesn't know that sometimes we all have to do crap we consider beneath us in order to leverage opportunity.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:45:47

Dig ditches, pick berries, work in a slaughterhouse. Don't be such a snob!
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 20 Jul 2012, 21:22:46

Has Mrs No found a job yet I wonder? For free or otherwise?

During our mid year semester break here (I've been doing dyslexia & ADHD support @ uni & TAFE the last 18 months) I have just about finished a course in heavy transport ops. Truck license, forklift, loading and securing, first aid, logistics, building and port site safety etc.

I was about to take a well paid job up north in the Guv sector when I found out the employer (a local guv council) is broke and about to declare bankruptcy.The TAFE I have been working at just had $200 mil stripped from it's funding in the last few months; so as students finish, no new enrolments have been coming through to my company's support staff. I knew this was coming 6 months ago so I jumped the gun and enrolled in the trucking course. The place I have been studying has offered me full time work assisting their CALD & Dyslexic students, office compliance support etc. I might take it for a while, but really would prefer to just drive trucks for a while, as this is more compatible with writing my book. Next week I finish the course and will make a decision then. Meanwhile the agency I have been working for just got another two major uni contracts and has started sending out invitations to support specific students.

As soon as I grokked peak oil, circa 2006/7, I knew I would have to compete and stay a step ahead of the ball. This will be my 3rd career switch since then, vroom vroom!

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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 21 Jul 2012, 03:23:33

This is ridiculous. Can't find an unpaid job? I can employ any number of people at this rate, so everyone will have a job and self-worth. She wants to communicate? She can call random people and ask them weird poll questions. Her English will improve, I guarantee it.

Speaking of greeters, I knew two sisters, Hispanic illegals in North-East, who bought a $500K townhouse there. One was a greeter , another was a bus-girl, did not speak any English at all.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby misterno » Sun 14 Oct 2012, 17:30:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')his is ridiculous. Can't find an unpaid job? I can employ any number of people at this rate, so everyone will have a job and self-worth. She wants to communicate? She can call random people and ask them weird poll questions. Her English will improve, I guarantee it.

Speaking of greeters, I knew two sisters, Hispanic illegals in North-East, who bought a $500K townhouse there. One was a greeter , another was a bus-girl, did not speak any English at all.


you don't expect me to believe a greeter can buy a $500K house?

do you?
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 14 Oct 2012, 17:37:26

How about a farm labourer making $2,500 a week?
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 15 Oct 2012, 00:21:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')his is ridiculous. Can't find an unpaid job? I can employ any number of people at this rate, so everyone will have a job and self-worth. She wants to communicate? She can call random people and ask them weird poll questions. Her English will improve, I guarantee it.

Speaking of greeters, I knew two sisters, Hispanic illegals in North-East, who bought a $500K townhouse there. One was a greeter , another was a bus-girl, did not speak any English at all.


you don't expect me to believe a greeter can buy a $500K house?

do you?

I saw stories of all kinds of nonsense like this occuring in the housing boom. The illegal alien maid in CA with the $700K house was the example that grabbed my attention. Via the left-wing spin, apparently responsible taxpayers were supposed to be motivated to pay for her house, since she was clearly innumerate.

One would HOPE this kind of nonsense is no longer occurring, but given how ineffective government is, and all the home bailout (AKA vote buying) programs, I woudn't rule it out.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 18 Oct 2012, 21:06:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')his is ridiculous. Can't find an unpaid job? I can employ any number of people at this rate, so everyone will have a job and self-worth. She wants to communicate? She can call random people and ask them weird poll questions. Her English will improve, I guarantee it.

Speaking of greeters, I knew two sisters, Hispanic illegals in North-East, who bought a $500K townhouse there. One was a greeter , another was a bus-girl, did not speak any English at all.


you don't expect me to believe a greeter can buy a $500K house?

do you?


I don't expect you to believe that water does not go to outer space once you pour it from a jar.
But I'm telling you that a greeter and her sister, a bus-girl, both illegal immigrants, had bought a small townhouse for $500K . 0% down, yes.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby misterno » Wed 16 Jan 2013, 20:54:10

Here is the update

My wife got a job in Costco as a food promoter. It took as 3-4 months to get this and a friend of hers was already working there so that is how she got it.

Too much physical work, standing 6 hours no walking no talking is allowed with customers. So I am aplying jobs for her. I am sending like 10 resumes everyday. At work I have 2 screens so I devoted one screen just for craigslist, snagajob or sites like that to get an office job.

You won't believe what employers are asking for even for $7.5/hr. Most jobs in TX require to be bilingual. Also, handling phone calls need pretty good English and Spanish. So for the rest, who knows how many people are sending resumes. I was shocked to see bookkeeping jobs paying 7-8 dollars an hour. For the last month or so I probably sent 500 resumes ( I automated it), but she did not even get 1 phone call or email. I even tried recruiters but they don't want to bother.

20 years ago when I first landed on this country, I got a temp job the same day I applied with my broken English. I did not even have a proper resume. $10/hr in a top financial firm. Just because I knew Excel that is all knew at that time. 20 years later someone looking for a job for $7.5/hr. I feel sorry for people looking for entry level work today.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 16 Jan 2013, 22:25:54

Well on the way to 3rd world USA methinks. Wages are also sliding here in the land of Oz. Our minimum is still double yours, but many people are earning less than 10 years ago. I have had to take a 20% pay cut to get into transport and have found that it is cut-throat, full of dodgy operators, liars and new migrants willing to work for peanuts and do unpaid overtime. Meanwhile the government here has funded the training of thousands of disability workers, meaning wages there have slidden back to where they were 10 years ago.

Personally I'm about to opt out of the jobs market. Moving to a big river and building solar powered shanty-boat/ houseboats. Zero rent, vegie garden, a bit of farm work, lots of time with the family.

I have said repeatedly here that the wage playing field is in the process of leveling out globally. This puts workers in 1st world countries in a crappy situation, especially those with underwater mortgages and no ability to move. It's not just the greater society which has come to expect endless growth, but each of us working in the system. I can look back at 30 years of pay increases, ending in 2010, then sliding back the last couple.

New migrants galore pile 3 times as many people into each unit of housing, pool resources, take any job for any pay and don't whine if not paid for 1/3rd of their time at work. Over time this group is getting ahead, while the nuclear family model is failing.

The above has everything to do with peak oil and globalization; look forward to much more of the same. Or look for an alternative and get out.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Thu 17 Jan 2013, 00:29:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'H')ere is the update

My wife got a job in Costco as a food promoter. It took as 3-4 months to get this and a friend of hers was already working there so that is how she got it.

Too much physical work, standing 6 hours no walking no talking is allowed with customers. So I am aplying jobs for her. I am sending like 10 resumes everyday. At work I have 2 screens so I devoted one screen just for craigslist, snagajob or sites like that to get an office job.


The world is full of people who can't do a solid days work anymore. I don't know if it is an American trait or not, but it is unfortunate, but probably not unexpected in the modern, obese, diabetic prone consumer flagship country on the planet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
')I was shocked to see bookkeeping jobs paying 7-8 dollars an hour. For the last month or so I probably sent 500 resumes ( I automated it), but she did not even get 1 phone call or email. I even tried recruiters but they don't want to bother.


Move out of Texas. Or go to work on the rigs, still mostly populated by white boys I imagine, but certainly they are required to do a real days work. Ain't easy, but it'll put hair on your chest. Might want to keep that work for yourself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
')20 years ago when I first landed on this country, I got a temp job the same day I applied with my broken English. I did not even have a proper resume. $10/hr in a top financial firm. Just because I knew Excel that is all knew at that time. 20 years later someone looking for a job for $7.5/hr. I feel sorry for people looking for entry level work today.


I've got staff interviewing 3 people next week. I plan on hiring two of them (sight unseen so far), and would hire one over the phone if I could personally be there to manage the intro to the company. I have a different feeling on the topic of course, even I hired all three, assuming they were all qualified, I'm betting 2 of the 3 won't be able to work more than 6 hours without needing to facetime friends, steal a ream of paper for their home printer, need a smoke break every 20 minutes, or fall asleep in meetings because the life of an on the-ground tech support type is just so difficult. The starting pay is about $10/hour, but locally that also involves health care, sick and leave days, a company investment plan, year end bonuses, those sorts of the benefits. I hear about all the places which don't provide these pieces of a compensation package nowadays, and I just figure it means the company doesn't give a crap about people. People matter. Unfortunately, they also lie like sailors. Do you know the ratio of potential employees who claim to know something about relational databases because they know how to open Excel? I'd call it 6:1, 6 people think they know something about relational databases because they can use Excel. A little.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 22 Jan 2013, 23:22:47

I decided to test the bottom of the job market, so I posted partial resumes on Monster and Craiglist. Today I go a couple calls from recruiters about temporary work, so we'll see.....
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby misterno » Thu 31 Jan 2013, 00:09:31

Can you believe some jobs are asking for citizenship? These are not federal jobs just clerical administrative jobs in private sector. why the hell are they asking for citizenship? Is this legal?

Also some ads state no email please call. I guess there are so many people appying to jobs but can not speak English so they want to avoid these.

Job market is getting worse everyday.
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Re: It is hard to find a job. Even if you want to work for f

Unread postby SamInNebraska » Thu 31 Jan 2013, 14:46:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'C')an you believe some jobs are asking for citizenship?


Of course. It is required by federal laws to keep employers from discriminating against lazy Americans in favor of hard working immigrants. Here's the form. Pretty standard for decades now.

http://www.cac.mil/docs/i-9.pdf

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
') These are not federal jobs just clerical administrative jobs in private sector. why the hell are they asking for citizenship? Is this legal?


But of course. Why is it a problem, I thought one of your claims was that you and the wife were here legally? Nothing wrong with someone asking you to prove it is there?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
')Also some ads state no email please call. I guess there are so many people appying to jobs but can not speak English so they want to avoid these.

Job market is getting worse everyday.


I had 4 people interviewed last week, one didn't have the necessary computer background, one showed up in a hoody and blue jeans, claims to have graduated from high school at 13 (home schooled high school) and his parents raised him on a farm..with lots of green cover...where people won't bother them..because...you know...living in San Diego...near the border...isn't as nice as national forest land in Ohio....if you get what I mean.....the boy actually knew a little about computers but for the life of me it looked like his parents have already made sure his way is the world won't be improving any time soon, was stiffed by one I would have hired on the spot, and I marked the 4th back to HR for hiring, if they are so inclined.

6 months ago we converted 6 temporary employee's to full timers, and in 3 weeks I start my new job in Washington. I recommend training, experience, and the more in the math and sciences you can get, the better. For working stiffs, I recommend just heading to North Dakota and making your fortune there. The oil fields in Ohio aren't doing all that bad either right now.
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