Is peak oil going mainstream

by **Specop_007** » Wed 04 May 2005, 19:17:14

Economically speaking, is peak oil knowledge going mainstream only slitting our own economic throats? Think about it. If consumers expect a price increase due to a supply shortage then doesnt it make sense for the suppliers to increase prices?
It seems as if we may be helping the petro companies to make more money, be setting a expectation of a higher dollar value to oil (Whether or not that higher dollar value is required AT THIS TIME)

Interesting how trying to spread word of a pending "doomsday" is actually helping the very corporations who have roots in the "doomsday" theory. As Alanis Morsette would say "Isnt it ironic" Not that I listen to Alanis!

by **uNkNowN ElEmEnt** » Wed 04 May 2005, 19:32:13

Hey whats wrong with 'lis? I love that song too. but yes, very good point, are we creating the very thing (economic doom) by perpetuating the PO theory? Yes, I'd say so, but what the hell do you do eh?

by **killJOY** » Wed 04 May 2005, 19:43:25

I believe the expression for this phenomenon is:

DAMNED IF WE DO AND DAMNED IF WE DON'T.

by **arretium** » Wed 04 May 2005, 20:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')conomically speaking, is peak oil knowledge going mainstream only slitting our own economic throats? Think about it. If consumers expect a price increase due to a supply shortage then doesnt it make sense for the suppliers to increase prices?
It seems as if we may be helping the petro companies to make more money, be setting a expectation of a higher dollar value to oil (Whether or not that higher dollar value is required AT THIS TIME)

Interesting how trying to spread word of a pending "doomsday" is actually helping the very corporations who have roots in the "doomsday" theory.

by **bruin** » Wed 04 May 2005, 20:22:07

The media loves to hype things up. Once gas gets to $4...5...6...7 there will be plenty of hoopla for the gas majors to take advantage of.

ASPO and the like will have little influence compared to the media majors.

by **RonMN** » Wed 04 May 2005, 20:32:31

I have said in the past "DENIAL IS ON OUR SIDE"...but we need to spread the word, because you wouldn't leave y'r friend on the track while a train is comming...yet prices would remain low if we kept our mouths shut!
BUT...
BUT...
BUT...

by **FoxV** » Wed 04 May 2005, 21:32:42

-- its like 10,000 thousand cars when all you need is some gas

I think the best way to think about it is the fox caught in the trap. Knawing his own foot off is not pleasant by any means, but at least he'll live. However sticking around till the hunter comes and skins you alive is no picnic either, howerver the results is pain AND death. (hmm, a pretty grim analogy considering my nic

)

anyways sounding the alarm now will bring on the pain sooner however there will ultimately be less pain. There will still be lots of pain so its not an easy decision.

It was an easy decision back in 1977 when Jimmy Carter created a plan that would have effectively freed the states (and the world by example), but instead he went down in flames and we are soon about to follow.

Now isn't that ironic

by **Falconoffury** » Wed 04 May 2005, 21:51:18

The longer that business as usual continues, the worse the crash will be. The sooner we start changing, the smoother the transition will be.

by **pea-jay** » Wed 04 May 2005, 22:19:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'T')he longer that business as usual continues, the worse the crash will be. The sooner we start changing, the smoother the transition will be.

by **savethehumans** » Wed 04 May 2005, 22:22:21

Try this on for size: The oil companies KNEW and KNOW what is coming. THEY, therefore, are preparing for it by making them enough $$ to survive both the present--and the coming woes. Whether we knew/know about PO, therefore, doesn't matter. . .because they would've been doing this anyway!

Sounds good to me. But then, like most of you here, I'm a bit BIASED on the subject! :lol:

by **MicroHydro** » Wed 04 May 2005, 23:58:38

The higher oil prices go, the better. That will reduce consumption and prolong the plateau. Also make certain that more money/energy is spent on peak oil mitigation while we still have some money/energy to spend.

As for economic suffering, being peak oil aware offers options for protecting oneself. Sell the house (if you have one) and rent. Sell the car (if you have one) and get a bicycle. If you have any money to invest at all, put it in energy, and profit along with the so called price gougers.

If you are a poor student, don't borrow money to learn a skill that will be useless post peak oil.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Thu 05 May 2005, 00:04:50

Ok... I have to say this. Would you all quit telling people about this please!?!?! The more people that know about this, the more difficult it is going to be to prepare for it. Prices of farm land, hand tools, storable foods, fruit trees, livestock, etc. are going to SKYROCKET. Just keep quiet. Make your preparations. And maybe we'll all live through this.

by **Specop_007** » Thu 05 May 2005, 08:12:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'T')ry this on for size: The oil companies KNEW and KNOW what is coming. THEY, therefore, are preparing for it by making them enough $$ to survive both the present--and the coming woes. Whether we knew/know about PO, therefore, doesn't matter. . .because they would've been doing this anyway!

Sounds good to me. But then, like most of you here, I'm a bit BIASED on the subject! :lol:

by **Ebyss** » Thu 05 May 2005, 10:12:56

Well, why do you think Iran and other Middle Eastern countries are investing in alternative power (nuclear, solar, wind etc)? It's not out of love for mother earth, you can be sure of that. When the most oil rich nations on the planet start looking for alternatives to power their own countries, you know something is up.
Forget about nuclear weapons for a second.. no country should have those... we all know that. I remember hearing a quote along the lines of "Countries rich in oil shouldn't be building nuclear reactors, they have no right to do so" (referring to Iran). You don't see anybody complaining when they build solar plants though...

by **Doly** » Thu 05 May 2005, 10:55:51

Are they going solar? Didn't know about that.

by **4StringSlinger** » Thu 05 May 2005, 13:53:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'T')ry this on for size: The oil companies KNEW and KNOW what is coming. THEY, therefore, are preparing for it by making them enough $$ to survive both the present--and the coming woes. Whether we knew/know about PO, therefore, doesn't matter. . .because they would've been doing this anyway!

Sounds good to me. But then, like most of you here, I'm a bit BIASED on the subject! :lol:

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Thu 05 May 2005, 18:33:13

What are the oil companies going to do with all that wealth post peak? Open up a chain of debtors prisons, or perhaps spearhead the new high-labor intensive agribusiness? Sure, they'll set up steam railroads to take people out to the farms on a rotating basis and carry the food back in freight cars. Remaining domestic stocks of oil and gas will be controlled by the government which will ration it out to agribusiness, primarily to be used as pesticide and fertiliser, and to security needs. Food production and domestic order being the two top priorities. Domestic order will be difficult to maintain because of energy consideration so some areas will revert to territories of some kind, territories with high mortality rates doubtless. Auto mechanic will become a higher paying job than doctor or lawyer (well, doctor anyway) in fact engineers of any kind. There, crystal ball gazing for today..

Is peak oil going mainstream

Is peak oil going mainstream

Who is online