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Is anyone here a cornucopian?
Re: Is anyone here a cornucopian?
by Logic » Mon 16 Mar 2015, 09:13:47
First, thanks to everyone posting here. This is probably the best thread I have ever read at PO
I myself am a moderate with cornucopian leanings.
I do believe the crisis is dire, however, I also believe that we can make it better or worse by our actions today.
Newfie, I agree with you that we should not dwell upon those things we can not change.
The way I look at it, each of us do have an impact beyond our family and friends.
The best each of us can do, in my mind, is to share our passions with others. I know of two state level politicians that are driving electric cars after I introduced them to the benifits.
These are not personal friends, heck, one isn't even in the party I typically vote for.
IT doesn't matter if you feel EVs are part of the solution or not, I simply use that to illustrate how we do have an influence well beyond our circle of friends and family.
As those people will go on to influence others. And so on....
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Re: Is anyone here a cornucopian?
by Revi » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 10:12:11
There is a possibility that we will find some kind of energy source we aren't thinking of yet. I'll admit that. However right now with the energy we have we are going to experience some major disruption soon. What happens when there is no gasoline for cars? Things are going to change. We have been living a pretty similar life for over 100 years now, and that might be changing. People started getting cars in 1915 with the Model T, and we are going to be on our last cars soon, so things will change now.
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Re: Is anyone here a cornucopian?
by C8 » Fri 27 Mar 2015, 17:23:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'J')ust wondering. Just in case if you haven't realized cornucopian beliefs are fallacious. They have been refuted by doomers time and time again. You can't maintain such an intellectually dishonest position forever. Just accept doomerism, so you can save yourselves, your family, and the people around you when the collapse of industrial civilization happens.
Says the follower of a theory that oil production should be declining at 5% rates per year by now (2015) and the US is in terminal decline never to recover (both widely held views by Peak Oilers 5 years ago).
I am not a doomer or cornicopian but at least the corny's have the winning numbers on their side at this moment. Its hilarious that a doomer like you is doing a victory dance during $2 gallon gas and massive US production again.
thanks for the laugh
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Re: Is anyone here a cornucopian?
by Logic » Fri 27 Mar 2015, 23:22:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')here is a possibility that we will find some kind of energy source we aren't thinking of yet. I'll admit that. However right now with the energy we have we are going to experience some major disruption soon. What happens when there is no gasoline for cars? Things are going to change. We have been living a pretty similar life for over 100 years now, and that might be changing. People started getting cars in 1915 with the Model T, and we are going to be on our last cars soon, so things will change now.
We don't need a new kind of energy source.
We need to be more efficient with what we have, and move to renewables while we still have the high energy density fuels to help us build them rapidly.
I don't know that our society will, however we have all the technical knowledge we need.
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Re: Is anyone here a cornucopian?
by ralfy » Sat 28 Mar 2015, 02:12:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('C8', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'J')ust wondering. Just in case if you haven't realized cornucopian beliefs are fallacious. They have been refuted by doomers time and time again. You can't maintain such an intellectually dishonest position forever. Just accept doomerism, so you can save yourselves, your family, and the people around you when the collapse of industrial civilization happens.
Says the follower of a theory that oil production should be declining at 5% rates per year by now (2015) and the US is in terminal decline never to recover (both widely held views by Peak Oilers 5 years ago).
I am not a doomer or cornicopian but at least the corny's have the winning numbers on their side at this moment. Its hilarious that a doomer like you is doing a victory dance during $2 gallon gas and massive US production again.
thanks for the laugh
I think it's better to show that there's no decline while oil prices stay at around $40 and production costs a lot lower. Also, production has to increase significantly (to more than 100 Mb/d) to ensure that growing middle class needs are met and that a smooth transition to other energy sources takes place. This may mean the equivalent of more than one Saudi Arabia in new oil every seven years.
Finally, I'd like to see a lot of data (not instances involving technology in development) that will definitely prove a complete reversal of forecasts made decades ago, especially in light of past trends:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... g-collapse
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