[misterno]

I understand that emerging market consumption is still rising but Europe is in recession and US which consumes more than 20% of all oil, imports are down lowest in 10-20 years.

So why on earth oil is still trading above $110?

It does not make sense.

The only theory I can make is that Saudi Arabia probably cut the exports drastically. But then we all know that SA was meeting its budget barely when they were producing around 10MB/day. How can they still meet the budget by same price-much lower volume equation.

Something does not add up.

What happans if USA needs less and less imports every passing day? Would SA cut production more?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'w')hy on earth oil is still trading above $110?

It does not make sense.

[Lore]

For one thing world oil demand is still on the rise. EIA projects 2013 world use to be an average of 90.1 million bpd, which is a rise of about 1 million bpd. While here in the US the price of supply has increased with the cost of resources coming from unconventional NA oil.

[misterno]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'F')or one thing world oil demand is still on the rise. EIA projects 2013 world use to be an average of 90.1 million bpd, which is a rise of about 1 million bpd. While here in the US the price of supply has increased with the cost of resources coming from unconventional NA oil.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', '
')USA is the number one consumer of oil in the world and our consumption is the lowest in 15 years.. So how come the overall world demand is on the rise?

[kublikhan]

The US does indeed consume over 20% of the world's oil. But that is down from over a third in 1969. China used to consume 1% of the world's oil that same year. Last year they were about to 11%. Those figures are going to continue to converge. Infact, by 2030, China may consume more oil than the US.

Oil supply is not falling as you suggest. Oil supply is growing, as is Saudia Arabia's production:


The problem is two fold. One, as Lore said, worldwide demand continues to grow despite the US and EU using less oil. In other words, the rest of the world's oil consumption is growing faster than our's is shrinking. And consumption is growing faster than supply is growing(much of the spare capacity in the world is gone). Oil supply growth has slowed to a trickle compared to what it has been for the last several decades.

The other issue is the one Planty was talking about: oil production costs are growing. We picked the low hanging fruit first when it came to oil. We went straight for the super giant oil fields that would spout oil into the air just by poking a hole in the ground. And for decades, those fields provided us with plentiful oil with little effort. But these fields are starting to age. They are requiring more effort to get the oil out such as gas injection. These production methods have higher costs. Even worse, we stopped finding new super giant oil fields. The last super giant oil field discovered was Cantarell in 1976. Now that the super giants are ageing, we need to replace them. Unfortunetly the new batch of oil fields we are finding fall far short of the ones we found decades ago. They are smaller in size, located in more difficult terran(deep ocean, arctic, etc) are not really oil(tar sands, oil shale, etc), and are generally much more expensive to produce oil from. And if oil prices ever fall below what is profitable for these expensive oil fields to produce from, they shut in production until prices rise again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')espite declining demand in some countries that historically were heavy users of oil, the world demand for oil seems likely to continue to rise. The I.E.A. forecast that global energy demand — including demand for energy produced by other sources — is likely to rise by 35 percent by 2035, with a large part of the increase coming from China and India.

In 1969, the United States consumed a third of the oil used in the world, while China used less than 1 percent. Last year the United States’ share was less than 22 percent, while the Chinese accounted for 11 percent. The I.E.A. forecasts that by 2030, the American share could be less than the Chinese one.

By 2035, American consumption of oil is expected to be as much as one-third less than it was last year. In China, oil consumption is expected to be up as much as two-thirds from the 2011 level, and India’s is predicted to more than double.

[Lore]

Plant is correct. Oil is a globally traded commodity going to the markets that can maximize return on investment. Even while the US and Europe are using less oil, the rest of the planet is using more. Which only makes sense, since we shipped off most of our industrialized production to them and raised their standard of living along with their rate of consumption.

[kublikhan]

Between 2005-2010, oil consumption in the US and EU fell by a combined 2.8 million bpd. Oil consumption rises in the asia-pacific region alone rose by 7 million bpd, more than offsetting our decline. Add in the 3 million bpd increase of the middle east, the 1.2 million bpd increase in south america, and the 850,000 bpd increase of africa. The rest of the world increased their oil consumption by 12 million bpd while we lowered our consumption by less than 3 million bpd. So that least a net increase in oil consumption of 9 million bpd.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onventional wisdom might suggest that as oil prices rise, developing countries would be less able to afford oil, leaving wealthier countries to bid against each other for increasingly higher-priced supplies. But that is not at all what happened over the past decade, and the trend may give developed countries a reason for concern.

From 2005 to 2010 – a period that saw oil prices rise to record highs – oil consumption in the United States fell by 1.6 million barrels per day (bpd). Other developed regions experienced similar trends. The European Union saw oil consumption drop by 1.2 million bpd, and Japan registered a drop of 900,000 bpd.

But even though the developing countries in Asia Pacific saw a nearly 50% increase in consumption over the decade, it wasn’t even the fastest growing region. That distinction belongs to the Middle East, which added 56% to their oil consumption between 2000 and 2010. The Middle East’s total increase in consumption was smaller than that of Asia Pacific at just under 3 million barrels per day, but that is primarily a function of the relative populations of the regions. OPEC countries like Saudi Arabia saw the strongest demand growth in the region. This is understandable considering that the high price of oil brought a huge influx of cash into oil exporting countries, and countries tend to increase their oil consumption as they become wealthier.

Demand growth was strong in other developing regions as well. Africa increased consumption over this timeframe by 850,000 bpd, a 35% increase. Consumption in South America increased by 1.2 million bpd, a 26% increase over year 2000 levels. Thus, despite drops in consumption among most developed regions, global oil consumption over the past decade rose by nearly 11 million barrels per day.

Explaining the Demand Changes
But why would developing oil-importing regions have also experienced consumption growth as oil prices climbed to record highs? Consider the change in the consumption habits of the United States and China over the past decade. In 2000, the U.S. consumed 19.7 million barrels of oil per day—25.5 barrels of oil per person per year. By 2010 the population of the U.S. had increased by 10%, but the country’s oil consumption had fallen to 19.1 million bpd—22.6 barrels per person per year. The trend in China was sharply in the other direction. In 2000, oil consumption in China was 4.8 million bpd, or 1.4 barrels per person per year. In 2010, consumption had grown to 9.1 million bpd, or 2.5 barrels per person per year

Oil demand growth in China, in India, and across Asia and South America in the face of record-high oil prices may at first be counterintuitive. But consider the consumption patterns in developed countries. Developed countries consume a lot more oil than they really need because they have more discretionary consumption. Thus when oil prices rise, consumers in developed countries make a few lifestyle changes—driving fewer miles, buying more fuel-efficient cars, using more mass transportation, etc.—and oil consumption falls.

So the 22nd annual barrel of oil consumed by someone in the U.S. isn’t worth $100 to them, and they use a bit less when oil prices rise. If oil prices were sustained at $150 a barrel, they would use even less. But the vast majority of the world uses very little oil, and aspires to higher standards of living. other developing countries are also on growth trajectories that would see their demand for oil collectively increase by millions of barrels per day over the next decade. The threat for developed countries is clear: As oil prices rise, consumption in developed countries is likely to continue to decline in response.

[Lore]

And the above doesn't even consider yet the rate of depleation from old existing fields.

[Loki]

Kublikhan's posts pretty much summarize my understanding of oil price right now.

Rising demand in developing countries (due to globalization) more than making up for declining demand in developed countries (due to popping of debt bubble) combined with plateauing production (due to peak oil) = sustained higher gasoline prices in developed countries.

Seems to me these dynamics will accelerate the Third Worldization of the US et al.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'K')ublikhan's posts pretty much summarize my understanding of oil price right now.

Rising demand in developing countries (due to globalization) more than making up for declining demand in developed countries (due to popping of debt bubble) combined with plateauing production (due to peak oil) = sustained higher gasoline prices in developed countries.

Seems to me these dynamics will accelerate the Third Worldization of the US et al.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('harrisonlw', 'T')he US is slowly becoming an oil exporter, as they are increasing their domestic production of oil.

[Lore]

We should also clarify here that the US became a net exporter of refined products, not crude oil. This is a value added proposition making a limited product even more costly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the US half of all profit is from making nothing but profit.

[Fishman]

So the question was "So why on earth oil is still trading above $110?" The oil part has been answered well. The $ part has not been addressed. With QE4 the dollar is losing value every month. Since the petrodollar is king, countries have to purchase their oil through the US dollar. This will shortly come to an end. Then expect something a bit more onerous, maybe 140 - 160/barrel.

[SeaGypsy]

What sort of response is that Pstarr? The petrodollar hegemony is very significant. If you are suggesting it is not about to come to an end I would agree. There is nothing to replace it yet and the currency basket idea is basically a recipe for endless argument not achieving anything.

[ColossalContrarian]

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[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'M')aybe I am a simpleton (Simple Jack?) but I find the question and discussion obtuse? the The international market is the primary price driver, not American consumption. Oil is fungible and shipped everywhere. Landlocked WTI/Cushing only accounts for a small proportion of our consumption. The rest is priced Brent etc. Oil is above $110 because the we, the Chinese Indians and Europeans want it and don't have enough of their own. What is difficult to understand?