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If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 14:13:15

A blond lady in the alley couldn't get her dog to behave, it kept wanting to run around and smell everything. So she smacked it and it whimpered. She'll probably have to keep smacking her dog if she can't figure out how to train it. Lots of people's dogs don't seem too well trained I've noticed. Reminds me of an old Dylan song:

If dogs run free, then why not we
Across the swooping plain?
My ears hear a symphony
Of two mules, trains and rain.
The best is always yet to come,
That's what they explain to me.
Just do your thing, you'll be king,
If dogs run free.

If dogs run free, why not me
Across the swamp of time?
My mind weaves a symphony
And tapestry of rhyme.
Oh, winds which rush my tale to thee
So it may flow and be,
To each his own, it's all unknown,
If dogs run free.

If dogs run free, then what must be,
Must be, and that is all.
True love can make a blade of grass
Stand up straight and tall.
In harmony with the cosmic sea,
True love needs no company,
It can cure the soul, it can make it whole,
If dogs run free.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 14:57:13

You think it's bad now? According to the [url="http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/pet_overpopulation_and_ownership_statistics/us_pet_ownership_statistics.html"]American Humane Society[/url], there are approximately 65 million owned dogs in the United States.

During the great depression, thousands of people who could no longer afford to feed their dogs, simply turned them loose into the wild. There, they did what dogs naturally do: formed packs.

These roving packs of wild dogs DECIMATED small and medium game numbers wherever they went. Attacks on humans were a frequent occurance outside the cities.

What do you think is going to happen during the next great economic collapse? Even if only a modest 20% of those dogs get turned loose, you are looking at 13 million wild dogs.

13 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans.

Sleep tight, kiddies...
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 15:06:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')13 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans.

Sleep tight, kiddies...
I bought a collection of Pakistani, wood-inlay daggers with carrying cases for this reason: it will be vitally neccessary to teach dogs to fear humans. In the meantime. . .jeez. . .the neighbors have a black boxer that likes to chase the shadows of butterflies on sunny days. It barks at passers-by unless they are women and little kids, then she doesn't bark. Well cared for dog, too.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 15:19:46

Well there aint no use, to give a Mule that kind of abuse
Might find it in his heart,
to kick your teeth loose.
He aint gonna pull your cart,
Gonna move real slow,
without a wagon in tow.
No he sure aint fond,
of mean ol dog hittin' blond.

Well there aint no use, to give a Mule that kind of abuse
Thick like an ox
In the end he'll make racket like a goose
He sneaky like fox
Won't jump like a frog
If you kick him like a dog.
If yo an animal hater
He bite like a gator
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 15:40:00

The birds are getting ready for spring, and for 5 days in a row I've seen a pair of crows carrying twigs to the south of my window. Once one of them stopped on top of a telephone pole to adjust its grip on the twig with a brief economical move and fly on to build its nest. There are flocks of pigeons that put on quite a show of aerobatics every morning a couple of blocks away. We've got the tallest tree for miles around close by and hawks perch at the top of it. Lots of little birds with red heads, or brown, which the dog next door is always trying, never succeeding to grab with a snap of its jaws.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 22:21:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')3 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans.


I bets thems good eatin.

13 million potential meals.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby Wednesday » Thu 09 Mar 2006, 22:55:05

Another good reason to keep the .22LR with the garden tools.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby eric_b » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 00:49:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')13 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans.

Sleep tight, kiddies...
I bought a collection of Pakistani, wood-inlay daggers with carrying cases for this reason: it will be vitally neccessary to teach dogs to fear humans. In the meantime. . .jeez. . .the neighbors have a black boxer that likes to chase the shadows of butterflies on sunny days. It barks at passers-by unless they are women and little kids, then she doesn't bark. Well cared for dog, too.


Clubs make much better canine dissuaders if it comes to that. Not as messy as the daggers.

What's said about dogs is true. Sure fido is cute and lovey-dovey - as long
as he's well fed. Don't feed Fido for a few days and you'll have an entirely
different beast on your hands.

Better watch out cuz the biodiesel people are going to be taking all meat
processing 'waste' that's currently being converted to pet food so they
can make oil.

Peak pet food is almost upon us.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby Doly » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 06:33:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'W')hat's said about dogs is true. Sure fido is cute and lovey-dovey - as long as he's well fed. Don't feed Fido for a few days and you'll have an entirely different beast on your hands.


If you are thinking in those terms, you are thinking a hard landing. In which case, I can easily see people killing dogs... and some of them even eating them.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby backstop » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 08:17:16

In case it should be of use to anyone facing feral dog problems without weaponry,

I discovered by accident that dogs are far less afraid of a stick than they are of a short rope with a compound knot at the end of it.

Swung and bounced in the air it has a remarkable deterrent effect.

Snake-phobia ?


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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 10:37:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')3 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans


I don't think there is any evidence that the natural carrying capacity of canine species in north america is 13 million. The current population is an artifact of the current excess in food, i.e. we feed them either deliberately or inadvertently via copious amounts of garbage.

This being the case, once the food supply is removed, the population will die back a more naturally sustainable level. Also, a few generations without rabies, parvo and heartworm shots, and this will not be much of an issue.

More to the point, years from now, our great grandchildren will read articles like this and just shake their heads:

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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 15:09:05

Until they develop a taste for human flesh...
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 15:19:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I') bets thems good eatin. 13 million potential meals.

Seriously. Only a human who is regularly fed would worry about what a hungry dog will do. What a hungry dog will do is that it will taste Goood! I'd say the odds are much more in favor of humans eating dogs than dogs eating humans.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 16:02:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')3 million skilled hunters who naturally form into packs and have *no fear whatsoever* of humans.


I bets thems good eatin.

13 million potential meals.


Seriously. Only a human who is regularly fed would worry about what a hungry dog will do. What a hungry dog will do is that it will taste Goood!

I'd say the odds are much more in favor of humans eating dogs than dogs eating humans.


I think you are both greatly overestimating even an armed human's chances against a pack of feral dogs. But whatever, time will tell I guess.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby duke3522 » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 16:13:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')What's said about dogs is true. Sure fido is cute and lovey-dovey - as long
as he's well fed. Don't feed Fido for a few days and you'll have an entirely
different beast on your hands.

Better watch out cuz the biodiesel people are going to be taking all meat
processing 'waste' that's currently being converted to pet food so they
can make oil.

Peak pet food is almost upon us.


Hey eric,

have you ever owned a dog? I see it as highly unlikely that any dog I have ever owned would turn on me if he/she were starving. More likely would be that the dog would go out hunting and bring a kill back to his pack to share.

Second, my dogs would be essential post PO tools that I would make sure get something to eat.

Third, my dogs, and I really hate saying this, are our end of the rope emergency meat supply. And a starving dog don't have much meat on him.

As for other folks dogs coming around our place post PO. Well that's what .22LR and the stew pot are for.

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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 18:11:26

Wow, must admit to being suprised no PETA supporter has seen this and freaked out yet! Or did I chase of the last one? Anyone still wodner why people see this site and call us a bunch of doomers? Lol.
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby duke3522 » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 18:53:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')I think you are both greatly overestimating even an armed human's chances against a pack of feral dogs. But whatever, time will tell I guess.


I think that with a Rugar 10-22 and five or six 50 round clips of LR hollow points I would do quit well against any pack. Dog or human.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ow, must admit to being suprised no PETA supporter has seen this and freaked out yet! Or did I chase of the last one? Anyone still wodner why people see this site and call us a bunch of doomers? Lol.


And just because were all wondering where to get copies of "101 ways To Serve Fido" doesn't mean we're all doomers. Just hungry. :twisted::twisted:

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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 20:43:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', '[')i]"101 ways To Serve Fido"


:lol: It's a cookbook!!! A cookbook!!!
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby katkinkate » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 22:28:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', '[')i]"101 ways To Serve Fido"


:lol: It's a cookbook!!! A cookbook!!!


I did a google search. It looks like no-one has written it yet. Anyone game? :roll:
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Re: If Dogs Run Free

Unread postby TheTurtle » Fri 10 Mar 2006, 22:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', ' ') Anyone game? :roll:


Pun intended? :P
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