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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby JuanP » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 16:18:36

Desu, I agree with Rock. It is very important in life to be aware of one's thoughts, actions, and reactions. Life isn't just what happens to you or who you meet, it is also how you react to what happens and how you choose to relate to the people you meet.
Ghung's advice is good, too. Go out and embrace life, learn to cook and grow food, seek contact with nature, enjoy your friends and family, travel, help someone in need, acquire new skills, experience all the wonders this crazy world has to offer before the SHTF. And, prepare for what's coming.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 16:32:03

Eugene - "So don't give me the...attitude, suck it up, etc. I've been there and listened to the crap...It's bullshit." Your seem to be a tad inconsistent. Unless you really don't have your sh*t together you seem to be saying that you have "sucked it up" on your own and are no longer f*cked up. Or did I misread you and you owe where you are today to someone other than yourself?
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 18:31:35

This isn't gonna end well. [smilie=new_popcornsmiley.gif]
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 19:26:01

Im happy to be around at this time.
I love change,being proven right,seeing men in suits fail and nature documentaries and I dont think I will be disappointed by lack of entertainment.
Ive known the world was stuffed for most of my life,my hippy teachers in primary school must have been dropping subliminal hints when I was a kid.
I spent most of my life from my late teens to now trying to work out how to not spend my life chasing carrots in the suburbs.
....now I get excited about growing purple carrots in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 19:53:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'Y')ou were born in the most fortunate of times. The variety of opportunity and choice available now is unparalleled in history.


I agree 100% with radon.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 20:14:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'I')'m constantly amused by folks who want to attribute their lot in life on externalities. From my experiences THE primary controlling factor has been an individual's own actions. By far the majority of problems I've seen folks suffer were their own makings. Likewise the majority of high points in someone's life were typically the result of their actions.

So just some friendly advice: stop blaming you parents, tree hungers, Republicans, oil exporters, etc. for your "problems". Grow a pair, get your sh*t together and construct the best life you can for yourself and your family. LOL.


I agree.

I would just add, this kind of thread topic and the tone of it reminds me of the heyday of peak oil doomerism years ago now, this forum and LATOC -- The World As We Know It Is Ending Right Now, back during the oil price spike and folks were reading about peak oil for the first time and getting so freaked out and sky is falling.

I really hate to be the William Shatner at the Star Trek convention telling everyone to get a life and bursting the doom bubble, but..

*I do not think being depressed and so passionate about doomer things is healthy*.

I don't know a nice way of saying that.

I'll just give some good advice to the OP -- don't go down the rabbithole or anything. Recognize that if you're drawn in by doomer stuff and your brain is stuck on such big existential things, then it may have more to do with other things going on in your life, and it's just psychologically easier to worry about "peak oil" or "climate change" or "Russia."

Just don't fall down the rabbithole, please.

That can lead to extremism. Mike Ruppert committed suicide, for goodness sake.

I look out at the world, and peak oil wise and doomer stuff, actually things are looking so bright!

* US #1 in energy
* All these amazing tech advances, holy cow, the future is here and more to come!

I get doomy about the economy though and the future on that, and inflation, and our changing society, and all of that. But I also see all the bright sides going on.

Also, to the OP:

Thank God you're not a Liberian, right? Things really suck over there, right? Living dirt poor in a mud shack with ebola crawling all over the place? Sometimes I think we doomer Americans should be ASHAMED of ourselves, to be complaining at all, when we have it so good compared to most of the world.

What if you were Chinese? And working as a slave in a Apple iphone factory, people so depressed they gotta put nets under the windows for jumpers.

But even the Chinese, with so much less than we have, are overall so optimistic and hopeful.

I really don't think pessimism helps anything, whatever the situation. Speaking of the 1930s, things were really miserable back then, dust bowl lung disease grinding horrid poverty Great Depression miserable. Misery on a scale that we can't even imagine.

Yet even in the Great Depression, there was opportunity. It's what you make of it.

(welcome to the forum OP, but you're new here and I'm just hoping you're okay and don't go off a deep end about peak oil is all :) )
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 20:28:55

I mean, it's just going too far if it gets to where people "wish they were born in another time."

Everyone has problems, regardless of the big issues or your station in life. Look at that oil company exec, he got killed by a Russian snowplow.

Look at Stephen Hawking. He hasn't even been able to move a single muscle in 40 years, utterly paralyzed and can't even speak or do anything physically -- is he complaining? No.

What if you were born into one of the nomad tribes in Africa, you wouldn't know about climate change or peak oil but you'd still have sh*t to deal with in life -- they have to watch out for lions eating their cows, or eating them.

Life is hard. It ain't easy. If someone is saying they wish they were born in another time, then there are other issues going on with your lfie besides peak oil. You can't blame everything on circumstance, nobody has it easy, no matter how much money you have or don't have or what the year is.

If someone is just young and depressed about the future because of climate change and peak oil -- then realize THERE IS OPPORTUNITY there. *The world's fate does not have to be YOUR fate, that is up to you.* Some of the greatest fortunes have been made, and the greatest individual accomplishments done, in the darkest of times.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby inglorious » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 20:32:30

Hi Desu, I'm pretty much the same generation as you, born just 9 years earlier and I feel the same way mostly. During our lives we're going to witness first hand some crazy changes, but change happens. My grandfather's generation (he was born in 1923) watched the entire world change around them, in one lifetime pretty much the entire order of things was re-written, admittedly there was a lot of positive development but they got to live through some nasty times as well. It's likely going to be the reverse for us, a lot of negative events interspersed by good times.

I'm not angry at anyone for the actions they took, they were following their basic programming and in the same circumstances our generation would most likely have done the same. I do rage quite a bit at current attitudes, I get depressed by it all and have basically chosen to try and withdraw as far as possible from a society that I can't relate to and have no ability to change. I'm not very good at looking on the bright side although I do think that humanity will be given a very good incentive to change their practices which in a negative way is quite positive.

Like everyone else here is recommending, try and find a path you can follow, do something else. I also did what quite a few folks here did, got my backpack and headed off in to the blue yonder. It's too early to tell whether it worked out for me. On the positive side I'm debt free (other than a student loan I never plan or will be obliged to pay back), will own my own house outright within the year and was able to quit work for a year to be with my daughter after she was born. In the UK none of my peers are in that situation.

Take what you can from these times, learn everything you feel will be pertinent, learn things which won't because they're interesting. Carry on going and you'll find your place in this world.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby MD » Sat 01 Nov 2014, 22:14:43

Fortune favors the bold, I've heard.

You have some of that.

Run with it.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 01:11:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')f I were to pick a birth year I would select 1905. That generation got to miss WW I, be young adults during the roaring 20's, still be young and healthy enough to weather the Great Depression, then they were too old to get drafted for World War II and modern medicine let most of them live into their 70's to pass on shortly after oil in the USA peaked.
We could have a poll topic on the best year to have been born.
There can be up to 15 choices, how about:
2015
2005
1995
1985
1975
1965
1955
1945
1935
1925
1915
1905
1850
1800
1750
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 01:44:46

Some people I worked with recently we're born before 1910, they were the oldest living full blood aboriginals in Australia. They were in their teens when they first saw white men, in their 20s before they saw anything driven by an engine, or a white woman or child. Their men were enslaved on rations of sugar, tea, tobacco to work 6 days from sunup to sundown on the cattle stations while the women waited by the gate with the children. Then in their 30s the mission era came & the women too were enslaved into industrial enterprise on the communities, forced to convert to Christianity, etc. Then in their 50s they were emancipated & given land rights & social security, access to alcohol & gambling. Their great great grandchildren have 25 years lower life expectancy than their contemporaries in other cultures in the same land, 2/3 of men & 1/3rd of women will be sentenced to prison before age 25. Unemployment is close to 90%.

Point being it's not just about when, but about where and with who, the context. Contrary to popular opinion there has not been a consistent narrative.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 01:50:00

So sad really and yet this is probably the best its ever been since whitey got here with his oil.
A pre-oil/whitey paradise they would have to go back a few centuries.
For care free abundance.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 02:19:21

Actually that is a myth perpetuated by culturally semi assimilated brown people down south with their whit intellectual, political & media scrum buddies. The real outback aboriginals mostly don't wish the invasion never came, but do wish it had been done differently & better. The barefoot, carless, gunless, paddling his boat around with his stone axe is not actually something the same guys descendants wish to emulate. Subject for a book really more than a topic post on post modern globalist having emotional problems coping with Utopic failure.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 19:24:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')f I were to pick a birth year I would select 1905. That generation got to miss WW I, be young adults during the roaring 20's, still be young and healthy enough to weather the Great Depression, then they were too old to get drafted for World War II and modern medicine let most of them live into their 70's to pass on shortly after oil in the USA peaked.
We could have a poll topic on the best year to have been born.
There can be up to 15 choices, how about:
2015
2005
1995
1985
1975
1965
1955
1945
1935
1925
1915
1905
1850
1800
1750

The worst year to be born on that list would be 2015, because if you were born next year, you would feel the full effects of the economic depression caused by oil shortages. The best year to be born would be 1935 because you would probably be dead by the time the oil shortages started to kill the economy. Yet you were young enough to experience the full benefits of the Internet.
History repeats itself. Just everytime with different characters and players.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 02 Nov 2014, 22:18:12

You don't know that. You just think you know that.

It's the future, it's unknown. Make of it what you will.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Pops » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 08:20:08

Prepare John Connor.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 11:04:36

Screw John O'Conner, prepare ME!
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby JuanP » Mon 03 Nov 2014, 18:02:50

In my country, Uruguay, the generation born 1900-1920 was the luckiest one and everyone agrees on this down there. They lived through the "Times of the Fat Cows", an age of unparalleled progress and abundance back home when rains were good, money was great, life was awesome, and the future looked better every day. That was my grandparents generation, their parents enjoyed it, too.

My parents generation experienced overpopulation, a Marxist urban guerrilla, a lack of economic opportunities, and a 13 year dictatorship. More than half left the country.

The same goes for my generation. My generation of Uruguayans was catastrophically destroyed by the dictatorship, the lack of economic opportunities and employment in the country, and more than half of us emigrated abroad. Six of my 12 first cousins are international migrants.

I guess to pick a time one also needs to consider the place. Today, there are more Uruguayans and their descendants living abroad than in the country.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Tue 04 Nov 2014, 19:18:55

When you experience Ayahausca you get to experience the singularity. The very ecstasy of existing at all, the very miracle of the joy of existing as an effect without a cause. The eternal miracle of life, of a universe created out of nothing- the miracle: A UNIVERSE.

I believe that you are fortunate, now and forever.
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Re: I believe that I'm unfortunate.

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 04 Nov 2014, 19:57:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'W')hen you experience Ayahausca you get to experience the singularity. The very ecstasy of existing at all, the very miracle of the joy of existing as an effect without a cause. The eternal miracle of life, of a universe created out of nothing- the miracle: A UNIVERSE.

I believe that you are fortunate, now and forever.


I wonder what happens after the AI singularity, and we give the computer ayahuasca. 8O
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