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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 05:19:14

I wouldn't say "several" for the article aforementioned only provides two cases (examples), the first of which says nothing about going to a hospital. Being cold and getting frost bite are completely different. However it displays a human suffering being experienced more and more that we didn't fathom in years past.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 06:22:46

We haven't seen large scale suffering yet, but we will.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 14:54:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')e haven't seen large scale suffering yet, but we will.


Agreed, great lake state to great lake state.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')hat in your opinion the poor deserve? Please enlighten us, what a person that does not do nothing is entitled to-- a house, entertainment center, AC, meals, heating instead of wearing a sweater, what else? International travel, fancy surgeries and drugs, something else?

A double negative there but what the heck.
Pound on the shiftless and lazy all you want But what do you do for their children? And how can you give them a fair chance at life without giving their parents quite a bit more then you might think they deserve if you consider their situation without children present.
Would you deny a child food clothing and shelter because his parents were neerdowells?


A human being deserves water, food, clothing, and shelter*, at the minimum. Even if they just sit doing nothing.

My step-aunt is brain-damaged and can't do much but sit doing nothing because of almost no short-term memory and lack of coordination. Our society provides for her water, food,shelter, and basic medical care. My family helps provide better food, clothing, better medical care, and some entertainment for her.

Thank you to those who pay their taxes for helping my step-aunt, whom my family would not be able to afford to care for on our own.

*shelter means protection from the elements, which means some heating and AC depending on the climate, to prevent illness and death from hypo- or hyper-thermia.

As long as our society still pretends to be able to afford to blow people up in foreign lands, and pretends to be able to afford to pay CEOs 300x what employees make, our society is obligated to supply these things to people who can't provide them for themselves.

In my opinion.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')A human being deserves water, food, clothing, and shelter, at the minimum. Even if they just sit doing nothing.


No they do not. Where do you leftist's invent this crap? Is there some secret board where you sit around inventing rights and fairness?

Peak Oil is going to give you so many surprises on what is fair and right I would not even know where to start with your education.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby diemos » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:29:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')You really apparently believe your own good fortune is a consequence of your own good works?


No, he believes every man (and their daughter) for themselves. Family first, last and only. Screw everybody else.

Very positive for evolutionary success.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:31:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')A human being deserves water, food, clothing, and shelter, at the minimum. Even if they just sit doing nothing.


No they do not. Where do you leftist's invent this crap? Is there some secret board where you sit around inventing rights and fairness?

Peak Oil is going to give you so many surprises on what is fair and right I would not even know where to start with your education.



Thanks, I enjoy being educated. I expect it will be the hard way with me dying, which should make you happy. :)

By the way, where we leftists invent this crap is in our own hearts and minds. This crap is called "morals and ethics." Morals and ethics have existed in some form since humans existed.

I hope you get cancer or injured in a car accident*! :)

*my step-aunt was injured in a car wreck at age 8 in which some of her family were killed.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:42:59

I'm glad you are going the distance. The other side of the bottleneck would be lonely without someone to poke fun at.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:43:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') am tired of explaining the obvious to these right-wing morons. They do not understand their own good fortune is the result of hundreds of years, generation upon generation of gratuitous good luck and access to power and privilege. Of course they don't see it that way, because they are stupid as well as greedy.


They don't seem to realize all of it could be taken away today if they have an accident or become ill. Any of us who are doing well are doing so by the good graces of Murphy/Lady Fortune/God/Physics, etc. And it could disappear in an instant.

What they lack is empathy, a human trait. There is a word for them:

so·ci·o·path

–noun Psychiatry

a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

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Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:44:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '[')b]Most people get their fair chance in life without anyone spoon-feeding their parents (or them , for that matter). 10 Roman emperors were children of peasants from the same small Serbian village.
But anyway, there is a governmental structure that does it already. If children arent provided with shelter, food and clothing the state is taking care of those children. I only wish the state would take care of sexual apparatus of their parents as well.

:lol: Oh really? what planet did you grow up on again? Now the USA gives a poor kid a pretty good shot with merit based scholarships and student loans but even with that the best way to get into an ivy league college is to have a parent that graduated from an ivy league college or has enough money to pump up the endowment.
Roman emperors? If you insist. The Roman empire lasted some 1300 years and in that time probably had about one hundred emperors. You say ten were peasants OK then how many were the children of rich and powerful Romans with a seat in the senate? You call those odds fair? HA
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 15:58:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
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so·ci·o·path

–noun Psychiatry

a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is one who believes in minding his own business, wants a smaller government role in his affairs and doesn't want a handout from others
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Fixed that for you to reflect a bit of reality.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 16:03:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')'m glad you are going the distance. The other side of the bottleneck would be lonely without someone to poke fun at.
bottleneck? What does this have to do with a bottleneck?

You can threaten me, poor folks or anybody you want to. But they, we, will not lie down and suffer for your wealth. Are you choosing to hide behind walls and personal security guards like in South America? Are you making that choice right now?


:lol: :lol: The poor can't even dress warm enough to stand outside to beg for energy relief. Do you really think that any real prepper is afraid of their influence after a fast crash?

Tell you what pstarr. You get together a group of poor and march on Washington and make your case for unlimited health care, food, housing, and education. Let me know how that turns out for you. I'm busy prepping so I will have to catch it on the nightly news recap.
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Re: Hundreds line up for gov heating help, several hospitali

Unread postby Cog » Sat 04 Dec 2010, 16:16:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')o you are a prepper, are you? You have your #10 cans all stocked away. You must ba another LATOC refugee?


Naw They banned me right away for being a cornie(WTF).

But back on point. Anyone who understands overshoot and dieoff knows where this whole deal is going. I prefer saving myself and those I care about then those without a clue. Its selfish yes but its how I roll.
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