ahh ic. yyes i see it now. you're right. evolution is all wrong, we were created less than 10,000 years ago by an all powerful transcendent being whose sole purpose seems to have been to create a planet filled with random organisms all perfectly adapted to live in their biomes. also creating humans in his own divine image to live out and serve his divine purpose. He also planted all sorts of evidence of antiquity just to what? trick us? yea... mmm so jesus walked with the dinosaurs and god, who obvious exists beyond a doubt who was created by nothing, since he is the first cause and all, then created the entire universe out of nothing, just for the sake of creating the most self-destructive being to ever walk this planet... and then? im really confused where this is going...
or maybe, all of the proven time and time again scientific theories are RIGHT, and earth ISNT the center of the universe and we ARENT special. Wow, i wonder which one makes more sense.
yep.... this thread is more of a troll attempt than anything. It's good for a laugh though.
i think this says it all:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Last_thursday
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Human evolution speeding up?
Re: Human evolution speeding up?
by Opies » Wed 12 Dec 2007, 02:06:34
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Re: Human evolution speeding up?
by blukatzen » Wed 12 Dec 2007, 02:08:51
Blu's husband here again.
The observed evolution of the new species called the Kalihi Rock Wallaby of Hawaii is my favorite newly evolved species since it is a mammal. Below are some quotes concerning some other reciently evolved species that have been observed.
"... Here are some good examples
From Dr. Saladin:
"The actual emergence of a new species is rarely observed in nature, because even speciation that is almost instantaneous on an evolutionary scale may easily take a few thousand years. However, there are a number of cases of new species evolving even in the 20th century.
For example, in 1916 a collector imported three rock wallabies from Australia to Oahu, Hawaii. A pack of dogs broke into the compound and killed one of them, but the other two escaped and established a wild population that now numbers about 250 individuals, living in the steep dry cliffs of the Kalihi Valley. Since then, the Hawaiian wallabies have become smaller and lighter-colored than the Australian species, their proteins have changed, they've have evolved a new liver enzyme enabling them to feed on Hawaiian plants that are toxic to the Australian rock wallaby, and they're no longer interfertile with the Australian form. By biological definition, they're now a new species - a species that evolved in less than 60 years.
Here in the Southeast we're plagued by the fire ant, Solenopsis wagneri, which was introduced from South America. It's been here in the U.S. for about 80 years, and already it can no longer interbreed with the South American fire ants. In other words, this too has become a new species.
There are many other instances within the past century in which new species have been seen to come into existence, including primroses, radishes, poppies, nettles, ferns, marsh grasses, various flies, and a crustacean not far from Dr. Gish's neighborhood of San Diego.
There are other cases of conclusive evidence of new species arising within a few thousand years. In Hawaii, again, there are five species of moths in the genus Hedylepta that feed on nothing but bananas, although they're closely related to other Hawaiian moths that feed on other plants. Well, bananas didn't exist in Hawaii until a thousand years ago, when the Polynesian colonists introduced them-so in 1,000 years, we have five new species evolving to take advantage of a new food.
In other words, evolution isn't just ancient history; it's also recent history, and it is also today's news. It's not just a conjecture in the minds of scientists, and not merely a conclusion drawn from the remains of extinct organisms. Evolution is real; it is something going on all around us, all the time."
I think these next two were copied from the talk.origins archives:
"In the genus Tragopogon (a plant genus consisting mostly of diploids), two new species (T. mirus and T. miscellus) have evolved. This occured within the past 50-60 years. The new species are allopolyploid descendents of two separate diploid parent species.
An unidentified bacterium underwent a major morphological change when grown in the presence of a ciliate predator. This bacterium's normal morphology is a short (1.5 uM) rod. After 8 - 10 weeks of growing with the predator it assumed the form of long (20 uM) cells. These cells have no cross walls. Filaments of this type have also been produced under circumstances similar to Boraas' induction of multicellularity in Chlorella. Multicellularity has also been produced in unicellular bacterial by predation. In this study, growth in the presence of protozoal grazers resulted in the production of chains of bacterial cells."
One last one: in Death Valley, there are natural springs with small, minnow-sized fish in them (called pupfish). When a small population of these fish are removed from the larger population, as is common, they change so fast that in only a few generations they cannot interbreed with the original population. This produces new species and sub-species very rapidly.
hope this helps! ... "
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-37808.html
The observed evolution of the new species called the Kalihi Rock Wallaby of Hawaii is my favorite newly evolved species since it is a mammal. Below are some quotes concerning some other reciently evolved species that have been observed.
"... Here are some good examples
From Dr. Saladin:
"The actual emergence of a new species is rarely observed in nature, because even speciation that is almost instantaneous on an evolutionary scale may easily take a few thousand years. However, there are a number of cases of new species evolving even in the 20th century.
For example, in 1916 a collector imported three rock wallabies from Australia to Oahu, Hawaii. A pack of dogs broke into the compound and killed one of them, but the other two escaped and established a wild population that now numbers about 250 individuals, living in the steep dry cliffs of the Kalihi Valley. Since then, the Hawaiian wallabies have become smaller and lighter-colored than the Australian species, their proteins have changed, they've have evolved a new liver enzyme enabling them to feed on Hawaiian plants that are toxic to the Australian rock wallaby, and they're no longer interfertile with the Australian form. By biological definition, they're now a new species - a species that evolved in less than 60 years.
Here in the Southeast we're plagued by the fire ant, Solenopsis wagneri, which was introduced from South America. It's been here in the U.S. for about 80 years, and already it can no longer interbreed with the South American fire ants. In other words, this too has become a new species.
There are many other instances within the past century in which new species have been seen to come into existence, including primroses, radishes, poppies, nettles, ferns, marsh grasses, various flies, and a crustacean not far from Dr. Gish's neighborhood of San Diego.
There are other cases of conclusive evidence of new species arising within a few thousand years. In Hawaii, again, there are five species of moths in the genus Hedylepta that feed on nothing but bananas, although they're closely related to other Hawaiian moths that feed on other plants. Well, bananas didn't exist in Hawaii until a thousand years ago, when the Polynesian colonists introduced them-so in 1,000 years, we have five new species evolving to take advantage of a new food.
In other words, evolution isn't just ancient history; it's also recent history, and it is also today's news. It's not just a conjecture in the minds of scientists, and not merely a conclusion drawn from the remains of extinct organisms. Evolution is real; it is something going on all around us, all the time."
I think these next two were copied from the talk.origins archives:
"In the genus Tragopogon (a plant genus consisting mostly of diploids), two new species (T. mirus and T. miscellus) have evolved. This occured within the past 50-60 years. The new species are allopolyploid descendents of two separate diploid parent species.
An unidentified bacterium underwent a major morphological change when grown in the presence of a ciliate predator. This bacterium's normal morphology is a short (1.5 uM) rod. After 8 - 10 weeks of growing with the predator it assumed the form of long (20 uM) cells. These cells have no cross walls. Filaments of this type have also been produced under circumstances similar to Boraas' induction of multicellularity in Chlorella. Multicellularity has also been produced in unicellular bacterial by predation. In this study, growth in the presence of protozoal grazers resulted in the production of chains of bacterial cells."
One last one: in Death Valley, there are natural springs with small, minnow-sized fish in them (called pupfish). When a small population of these fish are removed from the larger population, as is common, they change so fast that in only a few generations they cannot interbreed with the original population. This produces new species and sub-species very rapidly.
hope this helps! ... "
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-37808.html
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Re: Human evolution speeding up?
by lys3rg0 » Wed 12 Dec 2007, 02:32:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'Y')eah, that's a good one. LOL. That solves it. A bone fragment here and there is the proof huh ?
You're the one that asked for ONE fossil, dumbbell.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd you guys bash creationists for their beliefs ? Yours are more far fetched that theirs.
Creationists do quite a nice job of bashing themselves. Most of the time they have no idea if they're debating against evolution or abiogenesis. I suspect you didn't even know evolution doesn't prove or disprove whether life was created or not, since it's not concerned with the way life appeared, only how it diversifies.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')orphing, evolving, big bang, an amoeba forming in the ocean in some prebiotic soup. Yep, you guys have it all figured out.
See above. Evolution is not about how life came about. It could have been wished into existance by Cthulhu's magic wand for all i care. But after that, it's pretty damn certain that it evolved.
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Re: Human evolution speeding up?
by Armageddon » Wed 12 Dec 2007, 02:39:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'Y')eah, that's a good one. LOL. That solves it. A bone fragment here and there is the proof huh ?
You're the one that asked for ONE fossil, dumbbell.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd you guys bash creationists for their beliefs ? Yours are more far fetched that theirs.
Creationists do quite a nice job of bashing themselves. Most of the time they have no idea if they're debating against evolution or abiogenesis. I suspect you didn't even know evolution doesn't prove or disprove whether life was created or not, since it's not concerned with the way life appeared, only how it diversifies.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')orphing, evolving, big bang, an amoeba forming in the ocean in some prebiotic soup. Yep, you guys have it all figured out.
See above. Evolution is not about how life came about. It could have been wished into existance by Cthulhu's magic wand for all i care. But after that, it's pretty damn certain that it evolved.
Too bad the fossil records do not show this. The show otherwise. I am sure nobody took the time to read all the stuff I posted showing that the fossil records counter dict evolution and admitted by archaeologists. Evolution is a new modern day religion.
