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How The Northeast Could Cut Carbon Pollution By 75 Percent
Re: How The Northeast Could Cut Carbon Pollution By 75 Perce
by Plantagenet » Fri 07 Feb 2014, 16:36:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') pointed out that real socialist countries do build high speed rail.
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Actually, no. The High Speed Rail networks in Japan and the EU are in CAPITALIST countries.
You don't seem to know what the word "socialism" means.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he USA has no high-speed rail. Your assertion that liberals/socialists in the US prevent high-speed rail is looney-tune quality thinking. Bizarre. Way off the map. Under the stairwell. behind the wood-shed. skanky.
I didn't say "liberals/socialists in the US prevent HSR. You are having a senior moment, I'm afraid.
Look---face facts. Your assertion that socialist countries built high-speed rail is, to use your own words, looney-tune quality thinking. Bizarre. Way off the map. Under the stairwell. behind the wood-shed. skanky. The only way to build HSR is to have highly profitable private business and a robust economy. The EU boomed in the 90s and the EU build HSR. HSR is expensive----you've got to tax the heck out of private business to build it like the EU did.
Having said that, one of the main reasons to build HSR is that it would help the US economy --- and the US has a CAPITALIST economy. People would get jobs building the trains and rail network. Other people would get jobs running the trains. Downtown businesses and hotels would do better with trains delivering people to their businesses. More people would get out of their cars and into mass transit. Corporations like GE and Marriot and Steelmakers and High Tech builders of control systems would all make money.
HSR would be a CAPITALIST bonanza for the 21st century! It would stimulate the US economy just like the 20th century Eisenhower freeway system, that helped grow the US economy through the 50s and 60s.
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Re: How The Northeast Could Cut Carbon Pollution By 75 Perce
by Plantagenet » Fri 07 Feb 2014, 16:53:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')ocialist governments in France, Italy, etc. have built high-speed trains.
France, Italy, etc. are not socialist countries. They are capitalist countries. You need to turn off the TV and start traveling so you learn a bit about the world.
The wonderful high speed rail systems in the EU have been built by all the political parties in the EU----from socialist to christian democrat to what have you----. France has alternated socialist and Gaullist goverments---they all built HSR. Italy has been run by conservative parties for much of the last 20 years, and they built the HSR there. The HSR rail being build right now in Spain is being built by a conservative party.
The world isn't a TV show where one group wears white hats and another group wears black hats, and the people in white hats are always virtuous and good, Peter. It might seem that way on TV, but things are bit more complicated then that when you actually travel and learn how things work in the EU and in the rest of the world.
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Re: How The Northeast Could Cut Carbon Pollution By 75 Perce
by Plantagenet » Fri 07 Feb 2014, 17:22:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'U')S Republicans have always voted against public transport, of any kind.
I guess. Just like US Democrats always say they are in favor of public transport but somehow it just isn't important enough for them to actually fund it.
The fact is neither the Ds or the Rs has built any HSR in the US. And neither have the socialists.
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Personally, I don't care if Rs or Ds or socialists or illegal aliens or private business builds HSR in the HSR. I just hope it gets built.
Lets face facts---a HSR system is going to get built in the US in the same way the Eisenhower interstate system got built. A case is going to have to be made that is would help the US economy, help US private business, and maybe even help US defense planning. We had a shot at building HSR when O and the Ds swept into office in 2008, but their promises turned out to be lies and they failed to act. Rather then building HSR O and the Ds spent billions bailing out GM and Chrysler (and then they gave Chrysler to Fiat).
I think O and the Ds took the wrong approach. We need HSR a heck of a lot more then we need legacy car companies that are just going to go bankrupt again the next time oil lurches up in price another $40.
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