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How can Peak Oil STAY mainstream?

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How can Peak Oil STAY mainstream?

Unread postby lexicon » Tue 31 May 2005, 15:49:23

I posted this as a reply, but I think this question needs it's own thread, just to try to inspire creativity on everyone's part here.

I thought it was great last summer when National Geographic did a story on it, and I thought the recent AP article, which was reported on CNN Headline News yesterday (albeit in an extremely abridged 30 second version that did not refer to Deffeyes by name, only profession) was certainly a first for cable news. But it's nowhere near enough to make Peak Oil the household phrase it needs to be to wake people up to the reality that faces them.

I'm compiling a list of things that needs to happen on MSM (Mainstream Media) for Peak Oil to gain this kind of profile:

1. Peak Oil on the cover of Time. They need to take this as seriously as they took the environment in the 90's.

2. Front page of NY Times. They need to do a multi-day series like Canada's Globe and Mail just did to wake America up.

3. 60 Minutes should do an expose like they did to the cigarette industry on The Insider. Tie Peak Oil in with the travesty of oil companies cooking the books to hide the truth about the nearness of the approach of the peak of world oil production.

4. The cable networks (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.) need to make this a permanent part of the public discourse. Do Hannity or Colmes even have an opinion beyond the party line of silence? Why can't Lou Dobbs make this issue a permanent feature of his show like he does with outsourcing? Surely Olbermann has the balls to take this on if he had the knowledge.

5. The networks need to feature Peak Oil experts on their Sunday morning political shows. Can you imagine Matthew Simmons spilling the beans on Saudi Arabia on Face the Nation? Well, I can dream anyway.

Does anyone else have any ideas they can add on how MSM can make Peak Oil of primary concern to America, or any ideas on how WE can force MSM to focus on Peak Oil the way that they should?
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Unread postby RonMN » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:05:04

Even if ALL of that happened...all the non believers would say "Hmmm, somebody should really do something about that".

These people just simply are not going to wake up until reality bites them in the tukas!
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:25:11

Or possibly worse, everyone might take it seriously and send the economy spinning :lol: .
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Unread postby Such » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:26:06

Simmons has been a pretty regular guest on CNBC. I've seen Darley on there too. Defeyyes had a debate (of sorts - moderated and very short) with Daniel Yergin about oil, they were pretty much in agreement about everything except the date of peak... Defeyyes said Thanksgiving 2005, Yergain put it closer to 2020.

In a sense they could both be right... if we kind of reach a bumpy plataeu out for the next 10-15 years or so before really declining permanently.
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Unread postby lexicon » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:38:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'E')ven if ALL of that happened...all the non believers would say "Hmmm, somebody should really do something about that".

These people just simply are not going to wake up until reality bites them in the tukas!


:oops: Oh boy. Sounds like you just quoted my Dad verbatim. I've spelled Peak Oil out in minute detail for him. When Y2K was the rage, he bought a cabin in the woods and a gun, but after learning everything I know about Peak Oil, his reaction was, "Well, I'm sure the government has something planned to deal with it".

Sure they have something planned. It's called War to Control the Oil. And it won't be enough to solve the problem, it will only exacerbate it.
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Unread postby lexicon » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:49:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Such', 'S')immons has been a pretty regular guest on CNBC. I've seen Darley on there too. Defeyyes had a debate (of sorts - moderated and very short) with Daniel Yergin about oil, they were pretty much in agreement about everything except the date of peak... Defeyyes said Thanksgiving 2005, Yergain put it closer to 2020.

In a sense they could both be right... if we kind of reach a bumpy plataeu out for the next 10-15 years or so before really declining permanently.


Good for CNBC! I hope the other cable news stations follow their lead. I'm sure when Twilight in the Desert hits bookstores we'll be seeing Simmons on TV.

I'm glad to hear about the Deffeyes/Yergin debate. Sometimes Deffeyes confuses me with the Thanksgiving date; I'm not sure if he's saying that Thanksgiving is when we will REACH the peak or if Thanksgiving is the date when it will be obvious that we have PASSED the peak and that supply will no longer meet demand. Didn't he say that he thinks the peak occurred in 2003? Or did he retract that? In any case, I'm glad he's outlining his position on CNBC.
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Unread postby Ludi » Tue 31 May 2005, 16:53:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey need to take this as seriously as they took the environment in the 90's.


Which was hardly at all. The "environmental decade" lasted about a year, maybe two.
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Unread postby RonMN » Tue 31 May 2005, 17:18:35

We simply cannot sustain the price of oil right now...it's slowly but surely eating away our economies...and still people don't see it.

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Unread postby lexicon » Tue 31 May 2005, 17:25:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'O')r possibly worse, everyone might take it seriously and send the economy spinning :lol: .


True. I think I remember Kunstler talking about that on "The End of Suburbia" regarding why this isn't front page news or why the networks don't feature it at the top of the hour. Mainstream media is entirely corporate owned. Wouldn't want to feature news that might reduce stockholder's shares to worthless pieces of paper, would we? :wink:
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 09:05:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow can Peak Oil STAY mainstream?
$5 / gallon gasoline.
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Unread postby linlithgowoil » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 09:47:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e simply cannot sustain the price of oil right now...it's slowly but surely eating away our economies...and still people don't see it.



this is true. thats why i dont think we can sustain much more than about $80-100 a barrel, ever, no matter how badly people want the oil. Sure, it could spike to $150-200, but there is no way on earth it could ever stay there.

In that sense, the economists are bang on. The oil age will not end because we run out of oil, it'll be because its too expensive and we HAVE to use alternatives. Of course, we all know the alternatives aren't going to provide the same quality and quantity of raw energy, so we'll have no choice but to suffer years of power shortages etc., whilst we ramp up clean coal use, nuclear, methane clathrates etc.

This is all ignoring the environmental questions of course, but if the choice is between freezing/starving to death now, or being drowned under rising seas in 50 years, i'll choose the latter.
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Unread postby chris-h » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 13:25:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow can Peak Oil STAY mainstream?
$5 / gallon gasoline.


$10 / gallon gasoline would be better.

With $5 / gallon gasoline it is just the terrorists work .
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Unread postby thegrq » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 14:04:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he networks need to feature Peak Oil experts on their Sunday morning political shows. Can you imagine Matthew Simmons spilling the beans on Saudi Arabia on Face the Nation? Well, I can dream anyway.


I think that the problem with this is that the networks would see it as being too 1 sided. In the interest of being balanced, they would want to find somebody who supports peak oil and somebody who doesn't. The same thing is happening with global warming, most networks will not interview a scientist who supports global warming without interviewing somebody who does not support global warming, and this just confuses people.
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Unread postby lexicon » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 15:15:34

I think that the problem with this is that the networks would see it as being too 1 sided. In the interest of being balanced, they would want to find somebody who supports peak oil and somebody who doesn't. The same thing is happening with global warming, most networks will not interview a scientist who supports global warming without interviewing somebody who does not support global warming, and this just confuses people.[/quote]

I agree, that's a good comparison. You'll not only see people coming on saying that we've got another 40 years of oil left, we may also see the abiotics coming out into the open. That's all we need is having the whole country entertaining the notion that we have a "bottomless well".
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Unread postby Chichis » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 16:25:17

Of course the smart thing to do would be to prepare, whether it was 5 years or 50 years off. But the fact is that humanity as a whole is about as smart as a rock, with little ability to coorporate and plan for the future.
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Unread postby Ludi » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 16:48:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', ' ')if the choice is between freezing/starving to death now, or being drowned under rising seas in 50 years, i'll choose the latter.


What if there's another choice?
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Unread postby lexicon » Wed 01 Jun 2005, 19:45:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey need to take this as seriously as they took the environment in the 90's.


Which was hardly at all. The "environmental decade" lasted about a year, maybe two.


Good point. Not a whole lot of progress on the environment during the 90's from a President Michael Moore referred to as "the best Republican President we've ever had", and even less from George W. Clear Skies Bush. Really the only good from their coverage is that maybe recycling became more prevalent with the general public. Not enough to stop global warming, but it made the average American more aware. Likewise, I doubt the media will be able to make Peak Oil part of our energy policy until we're past the peak, so widespread public awareness is all we can hope for.
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