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Help, a little confused..

Unread postby 12amps » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 09:51:09

Everyone, I'm not here to debunk PO. Infact I'm SURE it will happen, altough how fast and how severe is a matter of speculation at this point..

All resources on earth is finite, any number of 'limiting factors' can bring human society much hardship if not extinction. So even if we have TWICE as much reserves as OPEC is making up, peak will still be posted only be a decade or two. That is not very good news. The way I see it, population is the single greatest problem, infact I dare say the ONLY real problem in the world.
All other problems derive from this root problem.

Okay, everyone knows that.

But what has been confusing me for a long time, and I've wanted to ask this for a long time:

If a dumbass like me knows about peak oil, then it goes without saying that

1) Every Government/Nation/Soveriegn in the world is FULLY aware of the implications of PO

2) Every Super Rich CEO (Gates, Jobs, Dell etc), Hollywood Celeb (Cruise, Oprah, Hilton, etc) and every major Bank Insitution knows about PO

3) It goes without saying that FBI/CIA/NSA know about PO

4).. you get my point


SO

Why do I see headlines in Media that say:

Time names Bono, Bill and Melinda Gates Persons of Year:
(CNN) -- The good deeds of an activist rock legend and one of the world's richest men and his wife carried the day in 2005, as Time magazine on Sunday named U2 frontman Bono and philanthropic couple Bill and Melinda Gates as its "Persons of the Year."

-Okay, what the hell is Bono and Gates doing in freaking Africa trying to save Africans when one takes PO into account that is both USELESS and STUPID. The most they will do is make it WORSE by keeping them alive, the population can grow and later on when PO hits that will hit them MUCH harder than if we never helped at all.

Just last week Beijing placed a tentative order for 80 Boeing jets, and Hu planned to visit Boeing's Everett plant Wednesday
-Is Hu Jintao nuts or just plane crazy????

Due to growing transportation needs and limitations in state and federal funding, more and more projects in the Dallas-Fort Worth area are being planned as tollways.

Tollways take decades to get there money back, any tollway built today will not ever break even.



http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0417/031.html
Let's Have More Babies!
Paul Johnson,

Yet while it is right to be concerned about this subject and discuss it frankly, we must not become despondent over it. We know from experience that demographic projections are notoriously subject to error. Birthrates can go up as well as down. Social fashions change. If there is a perceived "shortage of babies" or of young people entering the market, "an invisible hand," to use Adam Smith's phrase, may come into play. Supply rises to meet demand even in the most intimate aspects of life.

Then again the experience of having children--however irksome, expensive, wearying and career-hampering it may be--is also thrilling and delightful and full of continually changing fascinations. A child lifts the heart and gives meaning to life. Not to have a family is to deprive yourself of half the joys and interest of existence. These undoubted facts, true throughout the ages, will eventually reassert themselves, and the thrust of nature will return.


I read this retard Forbes article about INCREASING human population (written by an old ugly man) and I wonder how can people be so stupid?

What really is going on here? THere is so much evidence that peak oil is REAL, yet ALL THE WORLD from the dumbass to the richest seem to not get the point???

Someone explain away my confusing please!!
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Re: Help, a little confused..

Unread postby 12amps » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 10:01:21

1927-1933 Pompous Prognosticators

"There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash."
- Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist , New York Times, Sept. 5, 1929

"Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.I expect to see the stock market a good deal higher within a few months."
- Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in economics, Oct. 17, 1929

"This crash is not going to have much effect on business."
- Arthur Reynolds, Chairman of Continental Illinois Bank of Chicago, October 24, 1929

"This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan... that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years."
- R. W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, October 30, 1929


"Some pretty intelligent people are now buying stocks... Unless we are to have a panic -- which no one seriously believes, stocks have hit bottom."
- R. W. McNeal, financial analyst in October 1929


"Hysteria has now disappeared from Wall Street."
- The Times of London, November 2, 1929

"...despite its severity, we believe that the slump in stock prices will prove an intermediate movement and not the precursor of a business depression such as would entail prolonged further liquidation..."
- Harvard Economic Society (HES), November 2, 1929


"In most of the cities and towns of this country, this Wall Street panic will have no effect."
- Paul Block (President of the Block newspaper chain), editorial, November 15, 1929

"Financial storm definitely passed."
- Bernard Baruch, cablegram to Winston Churchill, November 15, 1929

"[1930 will be] a splendid employment year."
- U.S. Dept. of Labor, New Year's Forecast, December 1929

"For the immediate future, at least, the outlook (stocks) is bright."
- Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in Economics, in early 1930

"...there are indications that the severest phase of the recession is over..."
- Harvard Economic Society (HES) Jan 18, 1930

"There is nothing in the situation to be disturbed about."
- Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon, Feb 1930

"... the outlook continues favorable..."
- Harvard Economic Society (HES) Mar 29, 1930

"... the outlook is favorable..."
- HES Apr 19, 1930

"While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed through the worst -- and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There has been no significant bank or industrial failure. That danger, too, is safely behind us."
- Herbert Hoover, President of the United States, May 1, 1930


"Gentleman, you have come sixty days too late. The depression is over."
- Herbert Hoover, responding to a delegation requesting a public works program to help speed the recovery, June 1930


"... the present depression has about spent its force..."
- HES, Aug 30, 1930 (actually lasted ten years!)
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Re: Help, a little confused..

Unread postby Doly » Tue 25 Apr 2006, 10:13:11

Great quotes, there!

I guess if some people couldn't see the Great Depression for what it was when it was happening, exactly the same can happen with peak oil.
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