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Re: Saudi Arabia Plans Increase in Oil Output

Postby Pholostan » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 06:58:11

I'm wondering what exactly "start soon" means. Next month? Next year? Next decade?

Edit: SA might increase production, but I'm sceptic untill they say something official. "People in the know" doesn't cut it really.
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Re: 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'

Postby phaeryen » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 09:14:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'Y')es, the North Sea is in decline and I seriously doubt this article is correct. But let's give Graeme a break, shall we? I don't agree with much of what he posts, but at least he is offering a mature, intelligent counter-argument without name calling and such.

Things are looking pretty bad lately in the news, but we should all try to remain at least a little bit open-minded.


I agree with you in spirit but would like to point out that the way he chooses the subjects for his threads is very peculiar behaviour. Almost as if he is asking for people to come in and start a discourse in a very aggressive manner. If you ask me, its borderline trolling. Just in a more sophisticated manner. You can reason around my argument of course, but sometimes the sheer volume of his threads with almost all of them titled in a very fighty manner makes me feel sad.
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Re: 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'

Postby vision-master » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 09:18:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaeryen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'Y')es, the North Sea is in decline and I seriously doubt this article is correct. But let's give Graeme a break, shall we? I don't agree with much of what he posts, but at least he is offering a mature, intelligent counter-argument without name calling and such.

Things are looking pretty bad lately in the news, but we should all try to remain at least a little bit open-minded.


I agree with you in spirit but would like to point out that the way he chooses the subjects for his threads is very peculiar behaviour. Almost as if he is asking for people to come in and start a discourse in a very aggressive manner. If you ask me, its borderline trolling. Just in a more sophisticated manner. You can reason around my argument of course, but sometimes the sheer volume of his threads with almost all of them titled in a very fighty manner makes me feel sad.


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Re: 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'

Postby TheDude » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 09:26:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece]"renewable petroleum"[/url].


This story is about LS9 - e coli that leave crude oil as their waste product. Up to a barrel a week, I see. "Renewable Petroleum" sounds like a pumpjack powered by a wind turbine.
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Re: 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'

Postby Aaron » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 09:26:22

I'll give ya this much... you're consistent.

...and so am I.

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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby DantesPeak » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 15:36:11

In regards to the thread previously called:
Saudi Arabia Plans Increase in Oil Output

It looks like the Saudis may increase by 250,000 - and not 500,000. No word as to where that 250,000 would come from, which per my posts yesterday, would not come from new production of light crude.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')audi in landmark oil output hike
Bowman on Sunday, 15 June 2008

by DylanSaudi Arabia plans to raise oil output to 9.7 million barrels per day (bpd) in July to try and help tame record prices that have caused growing discontent among consumer nations, especially the United States.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi told UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon that the kingdom would hike output by 200,000 bpd next month, Ban told reporters on Sunday during a visit to Jeddah, UAE daily The National reported on its website.

"9.7, that is what he [Al-Naimi] said,” Ban was quoted as saying. “As far as the Saudis are concerned, they will respond positively whenever there is a request from their customers so there will be no shortage of petroleum... They don’t want to be blamed for a lack of production.”


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Re: 'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'

Postby DantesPeak » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 15:40:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')'ll give ya this much... you're consistent.

...and so am I.



Merging all these comments together may make it hard for newcomers to find the truth buried beneath the spam headlines.

For example, my post above bashes the propaganda we received in the news media from last Wednesday to Saturday.

Should we start a new false news bashing thread instead?
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby Graeme » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 21:09:32

Aaron, Please stop calling me a troll. You are not helping your web site by trying to squash different points of view. It looks as though you are trying to promote propaganda, and it just weakens the "peak oil" case. Just let the threads flow because they will soon disappear to next page as more threads are added. It doesn't help you, if you merge all of my recent news threads. Nobody can understand what news is being discussed.

Peak oil is still controversial. Although many people realise that cheap oil is gone, there are others, like Dr Pike, who think that there is more oil to be extracted than previously thought. This could affect the future price of oil. We'll have to wait and see. I'm simply trying to find out the true situation from news reports. We will soon know who is lying and who is not.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby dinopello » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 22:57:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'W')e'll have to wait and see.


Wait for what ? I don't mind your posts, and it probably would be helpful if the world finds some new oil that could push out the plateau - but not if we just wait, and do nothing, or dig a deeper hole.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby DantesPeak » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 23:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'W')e'll have to wait and see.


Wait for what ? I don't mind your posts, and it probably would be helpful if the world finds some new oil that could push out the plateau - but not if we just wait, and do nothing, or dig a deeper hole.


We've had a hyperinflationary rate of increase in the price of energy and food over the last year. You would think that the world economy, built mostly on the religion of free markets and capitalism, would conclude that high prices indicate that the supply/demand situation for oil has changed.

But no. Apparently cognitive dissonance is a stronger force than I thought before.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby Last_Laff » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 23:38:20

Relax everyone, he's far bright side kind of a thinker.

Though he admits Peak Oil. Technically isn't it why he is here on this site?
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby Jack » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 23:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'Y')ou are not helping your web site by trying to squash different points of view.


On the contrary, focusing on the primary goal - to educate the public about the reality and challenges of peak oil - will help the web site and improve its effectiveness. Permitting distractions reduces the effectiveness of the web site.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')It looks as though you are trying to promote propaganda, and it just weakens the "peak oil" case.


There are a very few sites that provide information about peak oil. The vast array of mainstream media outlets provide abundant alternatives to this site.

By this logic, the Marine Corps site would be improved if they encouraged the Taliban to post alternative versions. By all means, drop by their offices and suggest such a strategy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')Just let the threads flow because they will soon disappear to next page as more threads are added. It doesn't help you, if you merge all of my recent news threads. Nobody can understand what news is being discussed.


If you find the management of postings distressing, there are an abundance of free blog sites available. In addition, there are sites that would welcome refutations of peak oil. Perhaps they would function in a manner you would be more comfortable with.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')Peak oil is still controversial.


All the more reason to maintain the message on peak oil sites.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')Although many people realise that cheap oil is gone, there are others, like Dr Pike, who think that there is more oil to be extracted than previously thought.

There are people who think all manner of things. If oil is so abundant, why did he provide an interview in 2007 that advocated second generation biofuels and decarbonisation?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')This could affect the future price of oil.


So can lots of things. One post is one thing. Lots of posts becomes pointless and tedious.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')We'll have to wait and see. I'm simply trying to find out the true situation from news reports. We will soon know who is lying and who is not.

A legitimate effort to find the truth would result in a balance of items, which does not exist.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby Graeme » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 23:54:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'W')e'll have to wait and see.


Wait for what ? I don't mind your posts, and it probably would be helpful if the world finds some new oil that could push out the plateau - but not if we just wait, and do nothing, or dig a deeper hole.


We've had a hyperinflationary rate of increase in the price of energy and food over the last year. You would think that the world economy, built mostly on the religion of free markets and capitalism, would conclude that high prices indicate that the supply/demand situation for oil has changed.

But no. Apparently cognitive dissonance is a stronger force than I thought before.


I don't think that the supply/demand situation is the only cause of high oil prices:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he declining dollar, the rhetoric of energy independence, increased energy consumption in oil-producing countries and power shortages in the Gulf states that are encouraging 'private generation' are key factors that will push oil prices to new records. Add political instability in some oil-producing countries, natural disasters and technical difficulties around the world and we are looking at an energy crisis in full bloom, with no end in sight.

Let us examine those key drivers in turn:


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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby cube » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 00:00:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Aaron, Please stop calling me a troll. You are not helping your web site by trying to squash different points of view. It looks as though you are trying to promote propaganda, and it just weakens the "peak oil" case. Just let the threads flow because they will soon disappear to next page as more threads are added. It doesn't help you, if you merge all of my recent news threads. Nobody can understand what news is being discussed.
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Aaron is a cupcake and so are the moderators on this forum.

If I was in charge and be glade I'm not Graeme, I would of slammed the brakes on your troll-like posts a long time ago.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby mos6507 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 00:15:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '
')I don't think that the supply/demand situation is the only cause of high oil prices


I agree. However, the big question is will the "above ground" factors have any chance of being remedied before we fall off the plateau? If not, then we aren't even going to get a temporary respite.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby AirlinePilot » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 00:17:31

From a moderators standpoint, I don't think its that big a deal really. Graeme is harmless , he is not being inflammatory, profane or immature.

He even serves as a sort of denial barometer I think.

Some of the stuff he posts is actually marginally interesting, but I tend to agree with others about his motives. He's hopeful thats all. A troll? Maybe but harmless nonetheless.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby Graeme » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 00:26:02

Jack, Rather than quote all your responses again, I'll just respond with my answers:

Please educate the public by defining when peak oil will occur. You can't prove this, can you? Hence the controversy and the reason why different views are not a distraction.

When you talk about the Taliban, you are talking nonsense.

If you keep merging threads, then the site will become ridiculous.

What is the message that you are trying to convey? Actually this is the most important point. Perhaps you could start a new thread in an appropriate forum and state this clearly.

So if I mention Dr Pike then I get called a troll - hardly mature moderating.

Are their limits to the number of posts? This is news to me.

If you look carefully then you'll find my posts are not biased. I thought that the motto of this site is exploring the issues of hydrocarbon depletion? Does that mean posters should be very selective in what they talk about? Sounds like facism and against freedom of speech.
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Re: Graeme's Energy News Releases

Postby cube » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 01:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'F')rom a moderators standpoint, I don't think its that big a deal really. Graeme is harmless , he is not being inflammatory, profane or immature.
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*I disagree*
There is only so much "space" on a message board. Every time someone makes a post they are taking up prime real estate space that must be shared with everyone else.
I think people should remember this before they make a new topic.
Excessive creation of new posts == spamming.
It's being greedy. It's like a child that hogs up 50% of the playground to himself.
It floods the board and wastes time because now everybody must "sift" through all the new data.
This is not a "harmless" act, it brings the quality of the forum down significantly and ruins it for the rest of us.

IMHO, I am glad Graeme's posts got consolidated.
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