[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')hen someone calls me a racist Newfie, I'm not going to let that slide.

[Newfie]

This whole thing has gotten just silly.

It’s pretty clear to both sides that illegal immigration is an issue. I think is also clear to both sides that the wall is not the most effective deterrent.

Simply upholding existing laws and deporting those that have over stayed their visas would be a good place to start. Recognizing that “sanctuary cities” are in bold defiance of Federal law would be a good start.

Each side is holding out a SYMBOL, a flag, to ralley round.

We just demean ourselves when we allow the Madison Ave types to so completly control our emotions.

IMHO this shutdown has little to do with the Wall or immigration. It’s a power grab, a fight about image and prestige. It’s more about who will will in 2020, and control the future graft and appointments. It’s a war between two very similar parties. Like the War of the Roses, the only ones with a big stake are the elites. We peons are just cannon fodder.

[Cog]

False equivalency. Both sides are not for the same thing. One side, the Dems are for unrestricted illegal immigration and the other side, Republicans are not.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')If the best you can do is spew the far right lies pretending like all, or even a huge proportion of illegals are rapists and murders:

.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')alse equivalency. Both sides are not for the same thing. One side, the Dems are for unrestricted illegal immigration and the other side, Republicans are not.

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')3) Pelosi's government shutdown is harming a great many people.

[Plantagenet]

IF Pelosi and the Ds won't support a wall or a fence on the border, maybe Trump could get them to at least agree to fund a speed bump.


You are now entering the United States. Please pick up your welfare application, housing subsidy, obamacare card and food stamps vouchers at your chosen destination. Membership in criminal gangs and drug cartels is optional.

Cheers!

[Cog]

I expect the Senate to pass their budget bill this week, which will include wall funding. Then it will go to the House for reconciliation. We will see how serious Pelosi is about re-opening the government.

[Cog]

I did not know that people like this actually existed. The problem is his vote counts just as much as mine. I took out the profanity. I posted a link to his twitter so you can see he is not alone in his mental illness concerning the wall.

https://twitter.com/TheRealCDK1/status/ ... 2395667457

This president has exacerbated my PTSD so much that in average I spend 3 out of 7 night sleeping in a closet with my dog. I cry, I shake, I get stuck in mental loops. *uck I'm in the closet now stuck in a loop. I'm stuck in a *ucking loop because of a *ucking racist wall.

[2cher]

It's amazing how little this place ever changes. A bunch of poor dumb fuckers attacking another group of poor dumb fuckers.

This is all just a fucking sideshow to keep you distracted while the rich fucking corporations enslave your dumb fucking asses.

The media has kept you constantly at each other's throats when in really there are only about three core issues separating the average republican from the average democrat. They want you to hate each other. It's in their interest.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') did not know that people like this actually existed. The problem is his vote counts just as much as mine. I took out the profanity. I posted a link to his twitter so you can see he is not alone in his mental illness concerning the wall.

https://twitter.com/TheRealCDK1/status/ ... 2395667457

This president has exacerbated my PTSD so much that in average I spend 3 out of 7 night sleeping in a closet with my dog. I cry, I shake, I get stuck in mental loops. *uck I'm in the closet now stuck in a loop. I'm stuck in a *ucking loop because of a *ucking racist wall.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('2cher', 'I')t's amazing how little this place ever changes. A bunch of poor dumb fuckers attacking another group of poor dumb fuckers.

This is all just a fucking sideshow to keep you distracted while the rich fucking corporations enslave your dumb fucking asses.

The media has kept you constantly at each other's throats when in really there are only about three core issues separating the average republican from the average democrat. They want you to hate each other. It's in their interest.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') did not know that people like this actually existed. The problem is his vote counts just as much as mine. I took out the profanity. I posted a link to his twitter so you can see he is not alone in his mental illness concerning the wall.

https://twitter.com/TheRealCDK1/status/ ... 2395667457

This president has exacerbated my PTSD so much that in average I spend 3 out of 7 night sleeping in a closet with my dog. I cry, I shake, I get stuck in mental loops. *uck I'm in the closet now stuck in a loop. I'm stuck in a *ucking loop because of a *ucking racist wall.

[careinke]

PTSD is a real, and serious problem usually caused by war trauma or horrifying physical trauma. I find it tragic that the Dims tactics of; fear mongering, unsubstantiated accusations, and constant leaking of false information has led to their own members contracting this horrible mental illness. Yea the republicans have tagged it Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS), but it is really PTSD.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') expect the Senate to pass their budget bill this week, which will include wall funding. Then it will go to the House for reconciliation. We will see how serious Pelosi is about re-opening the government.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')F Pelosi and the Ds won't support a wall or a fence on the border, maybe Trump could get them to at least agree to fund a speed bump.


You are now entering the United States. Please pick up your welfare application, housing subsidy, obamacare card and food stamps vouchers at your chosen destination. Membership in criminal gangs and drug cartels is optional.

Cheers!

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')
Same with the false meme that illegal aliens are a pack of criminals.

For that one, I simply googled "are illegal aliens criminals".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... bfca69db54

Why spout such nonsense, when it's so easily shown to be false?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')And of course that counts only those caught and convicted not the gang members still on the street.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') expect the Senate to pass their budget bill this week, which will include wall funding. Then it will go to the House for reconciliation. We will see how serious Pelosi is about re-opening the government.

[Cog]

Coulter thinks Trump is giving too much away to the Dems by making the DACA protections. The Dems are saying the DACA protections are only temporary(three years) and they want a permanent resolution on them.

Trump has always wanted money for the wall though. Back a year ago when the Republicans owned the House and Senate, Trump was talked into signing a budget without wall funding. He said at the time he wouldn't sign another one without it. So here we are.

It looks like the funding bill will require 60 votes instead of 51. I do not think they will get it so this won't go to the House. Schumer(D) has his own amendment that will be voted on Thursday. It includes no wall funding.

I'm supposing the economic damage has to get bad enough that someone will have to cave for the good of the country. I have no idea which side will do so though.