[Plantagenet]

I wonder why the news media keeps saying the blame for the shutdown belongs to both parties when the blame clearly lies 100% with the Ds.

The Ds have invoked cloture, i.e. they are filibustering the budget vote. Since 60 votes are needed to end a filibuster in the Senate the Ds have shut down the government even though they are in the minority simply by filibustering the budget bill.

Cheers!

[Plantagenet]

The Ds have caved.

The senate just voted to end the D filibuster, with many Ds flip flipping to vote against their own party and end the filibuster. The potential 2020 D presidential candidates (Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, etc. all voted to extend the filibuster and continue the government shut down, but they were abandoned by many of their own fellow Ds who for once put the good of the country ahead of the D party.


Of course the budget extension is only for three weeks. Then the Ds will probably shut down the government again.

Cheers!

[Cog]

Schumer realized that he couldn't spin this shutdown as anything other than supporting illegals over Americans. Rather than have a revolt in his own party, he bent the knee. What leverage does he have now to force a DACA deal? None.

This is the time for the R's to load up any proposed DACA legislation with everything we want. And end to chain migration, Visa lottery, and funding for the wall. I would also throw in 50 state reciprocity conceal carry just for fun. Let's find out how much the Dems really want the DACA bill passed.

I'm not running things but if I were I were Trump I would let the DACA protections expire in March and deport every single one of them. Since DACA is nothing more than Obama refusing to enforce immigration law through executive order.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')I'm not running things but if I were Trump I would let the DACA protections expire in March and deport every single one of them.

[Cog]

Yes VT words have meaning. They are here illegally. If they had desired to pursue a pathway to citizenship, they should have done so. There are a lot of people who have jumped through the legal hoops to become American citizens. They deserve not to be spit upon by granting these people a special form of dispensation.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')es VT words have meaning. They are here illegally. If they had desired to pursue a pathway to citizenship, they should have done so. There are a lot of people who have jumped through the legal hoops to become American citizens. They deserve not to be spit upon by granting these people a special form of dispensation.

[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') wonder why the news media keeps saying the blame for the shutdown belongs to both parties when the blame clearly lies 100% with the Ds.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tita', '
')But D's and R's knew that they had to reach a bipartisan agreement about the future of DACA, because R's need the support of at least some D's to pass the budget vote...

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') I expect the bill they will hammer out over the next few weeks or months will end up with a merit based path to citizenship for all the dreamers that can be an asset to American society. Military service to citizenship is a deal as old as the Roman legions and I expect it and other paths that require similar effort or risk taking to also make the cut.
I need four of them to pay SS tax on 33K a year each to keep my checks coming.

[vtsnowedin]

The employers that actually need immigrant labor instead of just pushing down wages for citizen labor should be able to get green cards for all their staff expeditiously. Perhaps a reporting system for people that quit to prevent rapid turn over etc.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'T')he employers that actually need immigrant labor instead of just pushing down wages for citizen labor should be able to get green cards for all their staff expeditiously. Perhaps a reporting system for people that quit to prevent rapid turn over etc.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'T')he best side effect from this, IMO, would be if we got a decent stock market dip. Reminding people that the market doesn't only go up pretty much every week would be good.

Of course, doomers would call it doom, but i think a nice 5% to 15% wake-up correction would be good for the markets longer term, and likely help incent the Beltway clown car to work together and compromise FOR A CHANGE and come to some agreement.

The whole debt ceiling is absurd grandstanding anyway. The problem is the endless authorization of over-spending vs. taxation to buy votes. If they truly want a budget surplus over time, it's the spending and taxing levels, NOT some arbitrary "debt ceiling" that matters.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')Once you connect the first and third paragraphs of your message, then you will realize that the second paragraph is irrelevant, as the whole system is based essentially on over-spending driven by increasing debt.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', ' ')BOTH SIDES have failed miserably to seriously tackle the real world solution of addressing jobs at the employer level, which would erect a virtual economic fence and prevent much of the problem of loss of American jobs. Of course, both sides blame the other, and happily accept re-election.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', ' ')BOTH SIDES have failed miserably to seriously tackle the real world solution of addressing jobs at the employer level, which would erect a virtual economic fence and prevent much of the problem of loss of American jobs. Of course, both sides blame the other, and happily accept re-election.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')The average corporate tax rate on profits from new investments made in the U.S. is 24 percent; the average corporate rate on profits from new investments made by companies in other “Group of Seven” (G-7) industrialized, democratic countries, weighted by the size of their economies, is 21 percent.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')The average corporate tax rate on profits from new investments made in the U.S. is 24 percent; the average corporate rate on profits from new investments made by companies in other “Group of Seven” (G-7) industrialized, democratic countries, weighted by the size of their economies, is 21 percent.

[vtsnowedin]

Not being a corporate tax payer I have not searched out the actual text of the bill they passed and have a few questions. We know that many corporations were not paying the full 35% old rate due to a maze of deductions and exceptions written into the code over the years. Some corporations actually paid zero some years while making record profits and paying out high dividends. The question is did they get rid of all or some of those provisions to make the new lower rate uniform and fair or did most of them survive?
Next there is the full expencing of equipment investments. Under the traditional rules if you bought say a bulldozer for your construction company for say $500,000 you would depreciate it evenly over its useful life say ten years at $50,000 each year. Now they can write off the whole $500,000 the first year which is fine for that year but will it not give them anything to balance against payments etc. in coming years. Over the life of the equipment it should be a wash as far as taxes go.
I would have allowed them to write off any portion they had paid for but don't know how they worded the rule , (purchase price vs. this years payments made). A big corporation would say they paid cash even though they floated bonds or other debt to cover something that same year.
The old joke among the small dairy farmers here was that they had to see their tax preparer early in February each year to find out what they had to buy to avoid paying any taxes that year.
Just wondering if anyone has researched it and has some info.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'N')ot being a corporate tax payer I have not searched out the actual text of the bill they passed and have a few questions.

...

The question is did they get rid of all or some of those provisions to make the new lower rate uniform and fair or did most of them survive?

Just wondering if anyone has researched it and has some info.

[dohboi]

No more NOAA data on CO2 and other gasses thanks to Trump's shutdown.