[davep]

I'm still spreading the word, but tend not to get too swivel-eyed about it. I engage people, and listen. Otherwise you just end up babbling on, and that's a sure way of being branded a nutter.

There's still time for others to adjust, so why not?

[Pops]

I may have done some eye-swiveling in the past but try to not do much preaching to those who don't ask. I will drop in "peakoil dot com" as an aside if the conversation turns that way. You know, "I read so-and-so on peak-oil-dot-com about that... yea its a message board about energy and [listeners favorite boogieman]"

Maybe someday they'll google it.

[ian807]

The first rule of survival club is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT SURVIVAL CLUB.

The second rule of survival club is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT SURVIVAL CLUB.

So, do I talk about it anymore? No. I don't need zombies suffering from media hypnosis stumbling to my door, and in a real SHTF situation, your enemies are any of your current friends who know you have some food set aside, or weapons, or potable water, or a solar array, or a place in the country, or... Your other enemies are the "disenfranchised" who simply have no other way to survive.

Because you can be sure they'll be arriving - some with weapons. They have families and children. If your child was starving, wouldn't you take your "friend's" food by force? To feed your children? To the poor, you'll be seen as some rich selfish bastard regardless of your wealth. Same outcome.

I'd like to believe that we'd all come together, pool resources and sing Kumbayah. Let me know how that works out for you, particularly when the local chapters of the Crips, Bloods, et. al. start to get hungry.

FYI, my girlfriend is thoroughly mad at me for telling her about the twin intertwined monstrosities that make up both our economic situation in the USA (and eventually, the whole world) and peak oil - because she verified it, and believes me.

[Oneaboveall]

Here's some music to match the tone of this thread: Really Red "Decay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_87QZA-biw

[Oakley]

I think the gospel of peak oil is just about as welcome as a Jehavoh's Witness showing up on your doorstep. There is a similar motivation between preaching peak oil and preaching religion. When people are a minority and want confirmation that their thinking is not aberrant, they seek converts.

So I recommend give up spreading the word. You don't need other people to agree with you to confirm your thinking. The logic of peak oil is overwhelming, so just accept that you have figured it out and move on.

As far as dieoff, I think that is also a logical consequence of insufficient energy to fuel the industrial age, so you are going to meet serious resistance in telling people about peak oil. Consider that we are like passengers on the Titanic, and there are limited lifeboats, so why, oh why, would you want to warn others to mill around the lifeboats when that lessens your own chance of getting a seat.

So go about rearranging your own life so that you have a survival advantage. You gain no advantage by being a peak oil evangelist, and you only upset sleeping minds.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', 'I') think the gospel of peak oil is just about as welcome as a Jehavoh's Witness showing up on your doorstep.

[lulubel]

I don't really talk to anyone I meet about it. I don't even talk to my family about it. They know I think of them as "filthy capitalists" (I've called them that since my late teens when I wanted to run off and live in a commune), but now that we have some money and we can and do consume more than we did, they seem to think capitalism has won and we've decided "if you can't beat them, join them."

I do share things I come across on the internet. I've got a lot of Twitter followers through my business, and they get mostly business related stuff, with the occasional PO link thrown in. I don't know if anyone ever reads it, but at least I feel like I'm doing something.

[vtsnowedin]

I don't feel any need to convert anyone. The fewer people aware of the implications the fewer that will be seeking the things I need before I have acquired enough. I do talk about it in social situations up until the point that I see the listeners eyes glaze over then I move on to something else.
Just the other day I was in the local wholesale shoppers store and was in line between two seasoned citizens that had two overflowing carts of food between them. The husband struck up a conversation and said they were stocking up because Glen Beck had scared the **@t out of them about QE2.They had cashed out of New Jersey after 911 and moved to a old farm in central VT with a barn big enough that they are raising quail in it of all things.
He hadn't heard of peak oil. ? Their biggest beef was that they didn't get a COLA on their social security last year and this year looks like a loser two.

[Ludi]

I have a small group of friends I email some doom stuff to, but mostly I try to share solutions with people. Looming doom gets boring after awhile.

[lulubel]

I think sharing solutions is a good idea, especially if you put them in terms of something less terrifying that people can understand.

"I'm stocking up on essentials because the financial climate is so unstable at the moment, and you never know when you might lose your job, or things might get too expensive."

Or

"I've started growing some of my own food. It's a great way to save money, and home grown food tastes so much nicer than what you buy in the shops. You should try it."

Those are probably things that a lot of people can relate to, and it doesn't create fear that makes them tune your message out.

[black rain]

Some Calculations...........
A conservative estimate of current production is 80 million barrels per day
= 30 billion per year
Average oilfield decline rate = 4.5%
= 1.2 billion barrels less than the previous year


So how much energy loss is this?
1 barrel of oil = 1.7 MWh
so 1.2 billion barrels = 2.04 bilion MWh = 2.04 million GWh


in 2007, the total energy generated by ALL the coal fired power on earth
= 8.3 million GWh (wikipedia quoted)

So it can be said that a year's decline of oil is equivalent to 1/4 of the world's coal fired generators going offline........................shocking

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')Peak oil prices adjusted to January 2010 dollars: $107.36 (Dec. 1979 Monthly Ave. Peak) vs $125.10 (June 2008 Monthly Ave. Peak) and;

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('black rain', '
')So it can be said that a year's decline of oil is equivalent to 1/4 of the world's coal fired generators going offline........................shocking

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')All babble, a distraction, not worth my response. As usual.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ']')When you own up to evolution, global warming, resource depletion and peak oil, then you can join the conversation as an adult.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'K')iwanis club