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Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by Aaron » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 12:14:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ' ')Funny you use the word violence with its negative moral connotation
vi‧o‧lence–noun
1. swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
There are more, but definitions 1 and 2 are really what we're talking about here. I think it is a reflection of the pathology of our society that swift, intense, rough, or injurious force has become so demonized. The only time that those sorts of actions are at all permisible in our society is when it is the government doing them to us. Every time two drunks get in a bar fight, the rest of us look on in horror and bleat for the swat team to restore order. I personally believe that wusification is every bit as detrimental to us as homogenization and stupidification are. Where have all the rough men (and women) gone?
Great Thread.
But I disagree with the above quote.
We are right here.
But instead of physical violence like a bar fight, we have transferred our modern violence into institutional violence.
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by NEOPO » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 12:34:44
Its like a bar fight as no one knows who started it and no one really cares.
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Hey man whats up with the "vampire" link.
Someone once called me a "motherfucker" for doing that...heheh
the following "vampire" link represents how the word "sissified" makes me feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJPVUtVA74
I think I like vampire links -that mixes well - 1,2,3 go!!!
Modern humanities mosh pit
Hey man whats up with the "vampire" link.
Someone once called me a "motherfucker" for doing that...heheh
the following "vampire" link represents how the word "sissified" makes me feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJPVUtVA74
I think I like vampire links -that mixes well - 1,2,3 go!!!
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by lorenzo » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 14:42:35
The hypothesis that early man and cultures were violent is probably wrong. Most of the evidence points to the contrary. Violence was probably invented very recently when societies organised into sedentary, segmentary wholes under the leadership of despots who used the logic of monotheism, exclusion, alterity and subjection to engineer and manage society. From this logic of alterity and subjection stems violence (this is basically Rene Girard's anthropology and history of violence)
The myth of the violent primitive hunter is a pure myth and has nothing to do with reality. (Hunting is a very cerebral, intellectual, anti-violent activity, for nerds with glasses only.)
I agree with Aaron:
1. first there was the noble savage who never used violence (only ritualised or mock 'violence' just for fun, he had no clue of the concept of violence as we know it) - more and more research is confirming this hypothesis
2. then the State and Empire came, which invented violence and gender roles and the logic of alterity
3. then capitalism and modernity came which institutionalised violence on the one hand, and used it on a planetary and industrial scale on the other
To use the example of the Jew:
1. primitive jews were no Jews, they were kind idyllic groups
2. when Judaism was invented, it resulted in a violent imperialist text about monotheism, with violent aspirations; from then on, Jewish societies became ordened, segmentarised, exclusivist, with laws on the place of women and on punishment, etc...; during this era the Jew himself also experienced Pharaonic (imperial) violence, Roman (imperial) violence, Christian (imperial) violence; the logic of alterity and empire (violence proper)
3. in the era of modernity and capitalism, the Jew didn't simply experience violence, he experienced clean, industrial elimination, carried out by bookkeepers and institutions that merely whispered and did their thing as if it were a task like any other
It's basically Deleuze's three-phased historical anthropology as he sketched it in his work on the history of capitalism.
The myth of the violent primitive hunter is a pure myth and has nothing to do with reality. (Hunting is a very cerebral, intellectual, anti-violent activity, for nerds with glasses only.)
I agree with Aaron:
1. first there was the noble savage who never used violence (only ritualised or mock 'violence' just for fun, he had no clue of the concept of violence as we know it) - more and more research is confirming this hypothesis
2. then the State and Empire came, which invented violence and gender roles and the logic of alterity
3. then capitalism and modernity came which institutionalised violence on the one hand, and used it on a planetary and industrial scale on the other
To use the example of the Jew:
1. primitive jews were no Jews, they were kind idyllic groups
2. when Judaism was invented, it resulted in a violent imperialist text about monotheism, with violent aspirations; from then on, Jewish societies became ordened, segmentarised, exclusivist, with laws on the place of women and on punishment, etc...; during this era the Jew himself also experienced Pharaonic (imperial) violence, Roman (imperial) violence, Christian (imperial) violence; the logic of alterity and empire (violence proper)
3. in the era of modernity and capitalism, the Jew didn't simply experience violence, he experienced clean, industrial elimination, carried out by bookkeepers and institutions that merely whispered and did their thing as if it were a task like any other
It's basically Deleuze's three-phased historical anthropology as he sketched it in his work on the history of capitalism.
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by NEOPO » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 15:30:03
OK so how do we eliminate this horrible disease without eliminating the host as well?
Must we destroy state and empire - capitolism and modernity?
By hunting you surely mean stalking and killing something that actually has a chance of hurting and/or killing you - no?
doves with a shotgun just dont seem the same
Must we destroy state and empire - capitolism and modernity?
By hunting you surely mean stalking and killing something that actually has a chance of hurting and/or killing you - no?
doves with a shotgun just dont seem the same
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by jupiters_release » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 15:52:23
All this existentialistic talk is embarrassing, keep the energy moving, doesn't have to be a martial art, pick up a basketball, join a volleyball team, marathon, whatever, there's countless ways to live physically well in our soon to be over civilization.
I do notice the senior and master black belts at my dojo are 'sensitive' but they have both the power and ability to kill the average person.
My grandmaster's motto is:
Technique before strength,
Spirit before technique.
"Brutal violence" has nothing to do with a healthy life, and most of the romanticizing is based on historical fiction. We don't need random violence, we need culture, trust.
I do notice the senior and master black belts at my dojo are 'sensitive' but they have both the power and ability to kill the average person.
My grandmaster's motto is:
Technique before strength,
Spirit before technique.
"Brutal violence" has nothing to do with a healthy life, and most of the romanticizing is based on historical fiction. We don't need random violence, we need culture, trust.
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by Ayoob » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 17:15:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'A')ll this existentialistic talk is embarrassing, keep the energy moving, doesn't have to be a martial art, pick up a basketball, join a volleyball team, marathon, whatever, there's countless ways to live physically well in our soon to be over civilization.
I do notice the senior and master black belts at my dojo are 'sensitive' but they have both the power and ability to kill the average person.
My grandmaster's motto is:
Technique before strength,
Spirit before technique.
"Brutal violence" has nothing to do with a healthy life, and most of the romanticizing is based on historical fiction. We don't need random violence, we need culture, trust.
I do notice the senior and master black belts at my dojo are 'sensitive' but they have both the power and ability to kill the average person.
My grandmaster's motto is:
Technique before strength,
Spirit before technique.
"Brutal violence" has nothing to do with a healthy life, and most of the romanticizing is based on historical fiction. We don't need random violence, we need culture, trust.
Oh god. Somebody call the Hippie Squad and hand out the doobies. Go fight in your little box with a safe word.
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Re: Gender Roles and the Civilization Process
by smallpoxgirl » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 17:36:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '"')Brutal violence" has nothing to do with a healthy life,
Ever seen a wolf kill a deer? Brutal violence has everything to do with healthy life."We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Dude, you are a moron. I defy you to site a neofemenist author that has ever proposed that men should be more violent or that women were harmed by being forced into the world of commodified work. I may be a lot of things, but I ain't a neofemenist.
